The US actually provided about 330,000 trucks to Russia but not until
1943 when the worst was over. There is no reason to believe that the
Russians and UK would not have eventually won the war in Europe if a
year or two later (unlike you to discount your countries
achievements, Laurence?).
Yes, the US grudgingly, though less so as they began to perceive the
reality of German victory, agreed to SELL some useful destroyers to
us and began to escort convoys in the Western Atlantic but it is
unlikely that the battle for the Atlantic would not have been won
anyway though at greater cost in suffering for Britain.
In the Pacific, Japan would not have attacked the UK (Certainly not
for several years if at all)if the US had not been putting such
pressure on them. If Germany had won in Europe and aided Japan then
it is very doubtful that the US could have won that war. That said a
straight US vs Japan fight would have seen the US as victor once the
quick knockout failed.
Regards
Chris Courtiour
Actually, if your numbers are correct, I would say
that the number (whatever it was) reached 330k by '43.
Not that all 330k arrive on that year.
1942 saw the defensive struggle by the Russians on the
Eastern Front, a period when the bulk of the trucks
would have been arriving. That strategic mobility
would have been most useful moving troops to places
like Staligrad. Then, on the offense, it allowed the
Russians to mass forces quickly, while the slower
German logistical and transport system would have had
trouble reacting - which was indeed the case.
1943 saw the defeat of Gremany's last true large scale
offensive at Kursk - in which the Russians were able
to mass troops due to their motorized assets. Then
the Russians shifted to the offensive - again because
the mobility that the trucks provided. All this was
in 1943. It was all possible because they had the
trucks to do it with. This would have been impossible
if the same Russian Army had been moving thier men and
material by horse or foot.
Eric
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The US actually provided about 330,000 trucks to
Russia but not until
1943 when the worst was over.
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I didn't write anything on this, you are perhaps confusing me with someone else.
But for the record, I'm not at all sure that Britain and Russia could have won the war without USA help, AND I'm not at all sure that USA could have won it without Britain holding the European fort for two years. Certainly it would not have been won without the contribution of millions of Russian lives, and very probably without the fact that Hitler suddenly decided to attack Russia. That reflection should be enough to humble all of you Jingoists - it may be that we live in (relatively) free countries, only because the totalitarian enemy made an extraordinary mistake.
Just like most FP victories in MEPBM actually!
American friends might be interested if I pick out one remark from the earlier conversations: One thing which members of my father's generation (70+) and often younger English people always mutter bitterly about, is Hollywood films about "How America won the War". It may well be that with regard to the reputation of the American nation, which seems to be what's got some of you a little heated, that Hollywood exports are unwittingly a major cause.
There area few classic war films, which attempt to pay homage to the contribution of all allied nations, but they're few and far between. The seemingly endless stream of stories of American heroes, really sticks in the throat of people who remembered the Blitz, and even of the following generation.
Laurence G. Tilley
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk
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At 01:29 AM 24-11-01, arnheim@globalnet.co.uk wrote:
The US actually provided about 330,000 trucks to Russia but not until
1943 when the worst was over. There is no reason to believe that the
Russians and UK would not have eventually won the war in Europe if a
year or two later (unlike you to discount your countries
achievements, Laurence?).
I thought I could resist commenting, but this stuff is just too "good" to
leave alone.
Friends, let us not forget a few things:
1. Nationalism gone too far is what started these wars.
2. No one's death is a small matter to one's countrymen.
3. We , the Yanks and the Brits are, in fact cousins, and nothing is worse
than
a family fight.
4. We all cherish the same things, what this country-bashing seems to be is
disagreements not about VALUES, but about who's really ACHEIVING
them.
5. Let us remember that, as the US and the UK what unites us is stronger
than
what divides us.
6. If nothing else, we all like to kick third-world ass. Let's get back to
it!
Bob Chronley
"Laurence G. Tilley" wrote:
···
At 01:29 AM 24-11-01, arnheim@globalnet.co.uk wrote:
>The US actually provided about 330,000 trucks to Russia but not until
>1943 when the worst was over. There is no reason to believe that the
>Russians and UK would not have eventually won the war in Europe if a
>year or two later (unlike you to discount your countries
>achievements, Laurence?).
I didn't write anything on this, you are perhaps confusing me with someone
else.
But for the record, I'm not at all sure that Britain and Russia could have
won the war without USA help, AND I'm not at all sure that USA could have
won it without Britain holding the European fort for two years. Certainly
it would not have been won without the contribution of millions of Russian
lives, and very probably without the fact that Hitler suddenly decided to
attack Russia. That reflection should be enough to humble all of you
Jingoists - it may be that we live in (relatively) free countries, only
because the totalitarian enemy made an extraordinary mistake.
Just like most FP victories in MEPBM actually!
American friends might be interested if I pick out one remark from the
earlier conversations: One thing which members of my father's generation
(70+) and often younger English people always mutter bitterly about, is
Hollywood films about "How America won the War". It may well be that with
regard to the reputation of the American nation, which seems to be what's
got some of you a little heated, that Hollywood exports are unwittingly a
major cause.
There area few classic war films, which attempt to pay homage to the
contribution of all allied nations, but they're few and far between. The
seemingly endless stream of stories of American heroes, really sticks in
the throat of people who remembered the Blitz, and even of the following
generation.
Laurence G. Tilley
http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk
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