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#1

The mother country is starting to sound like the colonists in 1776. There is a relatively easy and painless (if long term) solution.

Stop playing footsie with the Europeans and join the North American Free Trade Pact. You have more in common with your daughter colonies of Canada and the United States than with the French and Germans. If the English can stay off those irritating high horses, Her Majesty could become Our Majesty again in a century, or so.

For more than four hundred years the UK turned its back on the continent and looked upon the Atlantic. It could work once more. Or is this Ed living in the past again?
Ed Mills

···

From: "richard devereux" <rd@pagan-47.fsnet.co.uk>
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To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Off-topic:
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:17:43 +0100

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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:28 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Off-topic:

>
> And what percentage bother to vote....? Customers definately losing
> interest
>
> Its even worse for us. We in the UK don't even get to vote for whether
Bush
> or Kerry gets to control our country....

RD: Vote UKIP!

Richard.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rodrigo Maia" <g0th@bol.com.br>
> To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
>
> >
> > Well, we currently don't have much choice, but the close fight between
> > bush and kerry and the public acceptance of Bush shows us that ppl might
> > be really sick about having an opinion....
> >
> > Rodrigo Maia. sorry for this "off-topicking", but its a very
> > interesting matter =P
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tony & Janette
> > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
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> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
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> > Or perhaps Democracy is the greatest...
> >
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> > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
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> > > Communism being the greatest example =PPP
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#2

Ah, another American who doesn't let facts get in the way of an argument...

More than 65% of the UK's trade is now with other EU countries. The
cross-Channel trade in alcohol and tobacco alone is worth over 4.5 billion
euros annually... (Source: European Commission)

As for joining the US... I think the Bush camp would hate that idea. After
all, the UK has a population equal to about a quarter of the US's and most
Brits would vote against him in the upcoming election! (Of course, that in
and of itself is a good argument for joining the US.)

So, yes, Ed, you are living in the past.

Gavin

Ovatha Easterling wrote:

···

The mother country is starting to sound like the colonists in 1776. There
is a relatively easy and painless (if long term) solution.

Stop playing footsie with the Europeans and join the North American Free
Trade Pact. You have more in common with your daughter colonies of Canada
and the United States than with the French and Germans. If the English can
stay off those irritating high horses, Her Majesty could become Our Majesty
again in a century, or so.

For more than four hundred years the UK turned its back on the continent
and looked upon the Atlantic. It could work once more. Or is this Ed
living in the past again?
Ed Mills

#3

The mother country is starting to sound like the colonists in 1776. There
is a relatively easy and painless (if long term) solution.

Stop playing footsie with the Europeans and join the North American Free
Trade Pact. You have more in common with your daughter colonies of Canada
and the United States than with the French and Germans. If the English

can

stay off those irritating high horses, Her Majesty could become Our

Majesty

again in a century, or so.

For more than four hundred years the UK turned its back on the continent
and looked upon the Atlantic. It could work once more. Or is this Ed
living in the past again?
Ed Mills

RD: I'm with you Ed!

Richard.

>From: "richard devereux" <rd@pagan-47.fsnet.co.uk>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Off-topic:
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:17:43 +0100
>
>
>From: "Tony & Janette" <janton@ntlworld.com>
>To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:28 AM
>Subject: [mepbmlist] Off-topic:
>
>
> >
> > And what percentage bother to vote....? Customers definately losing
> > interest
> >
> > Its even worse for us. We in the UK don't even get to vote for

whether

>Bush
> > or Kerry gets to control our country....
>
>RD: Vote UKIP!
>
>Richard.
> >
> > From: "Rodrigo Maia" <g0th@bol.com.br>
> > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well, we currently don't have much choice, but the close fight

between

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> > > bush and kerry and the public acceptance of Bush shows us that ppl
>might
> > > be really sick about having an opinion....
> > >
> > > Rodrigo Maia. sorry for this "off-topicking", but its a very
> > > interesting matter =P
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tony & Janette
> > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Or perhaps Democracy is the greatest...
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
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> > > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Communism being the greatest example =PPP
> > > >
> > > > Rodrigo Maia
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Gavinwj
> > > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > > ** Is it possible for a great product to stagnate and for its
> > > customers
> > > > to
> > > > > gradually lose interest?
> > > > >
> > > > > Russ
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, yes.
> > > >
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#4

No surprise there. I would even have put money on it!

Gavin

richard devereux wrote:

···

For more than four hundred years the UK turned its back on the continent
and looked upon the Atlantic. It could work once more. Or is this Ed
living in the past again?
Ed Mills

RD: I'm with you Ed!

#5

Ah, another American who doesn't let facts get in the way of an

argument...

More than 65% of the UK's trade is now with other EU countries. The
cross-Channel trade in alcohol and tobacco alone is worth over 4.5 billion
euros annually... (Source: European Commission)

RD: Leaving aside the fact that the European Parliament and Commision are
riddled with corruption, the trade you mention is entirely in favour of
France and Belgium and a drain on the UK. It's absurd that people can bring
vanloads of booze and fags back across the Channel and claim it's for a
party. Sooner we get out of the EU the better. Vote UKIP!

Richard.

As for joining the US... I think the Bush camp would hate that idea. After
all, the UK has a population equal to about a quarter of the US's and most
Brits would vote against him in the upcoming election! (Of course, that in
and of itself is a good argument for joining the US.)

So, yes, Ed, you are living in the past.

Gavin

Ovatha Easterling wrote:

>
>
> The mother country is starting to sound like the colonists in 1776.

There

> is a relatively easy and painless (if long term) solution.
>
> Stop playing footsie with the Europeans and join the North American Free
> Trade Pact. You have more in common with your daughter colonies of

Canada

> and the United States than with the French and Germans. If the English

can

> stay off those irritating high horses, Her Majesty could become Our

Majesty

> again in a century, or so.
>
> For more than four hundred years the UK turned its back on the

continent

···

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To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Off-topic:

> and looked upon the Atlantic. It could work once more. Or is this Ed
> living in the past again?
> Ed Mills

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#6

No surprise there. I would even have put money on it!

Gavin

RD: Lol

richard devereux wrote:

>> For more than four hundred years the UK turned its back on the

continent

···

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To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Off-topic:

>> and looked upon the Atlantic. It could work once more. Or is this Ed
>> living in the past again?
>> Ed Mills
>
> RD: I'm with you Ed!

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#7

Legally they don't even have to claim it's for a party. And that is why the
UK is now being taken to court.

Gavin

richard devereux wrote:

···

More than 65% of the UK's trade is now with other EU countries. The
cross-Channel trade in alcohol and tobacco alone is worth over 4.5 billion
euros annually... (Source: European Commission)

RD: Leaving aside the fact that the European Parliament and Commision are
riddled with corruption, the trade you mention is entirely in favour of
France and Belgium and a drain on the UK. It's absurd that people can bring
vanloads of booze and fags back across the Channel and claim it's for a
party. Sooner we get out of the EU the better.

#8

Legally they don't even have to claim it's for a party. And that is why

the

UK is now being taken to court.

Gavin

RD: Yeah, being taken to a European court by a corrupt European organization
whose only criteria are making money for, and increasing the power of, the
fat cats on the gravy train. All the more reason to tell the EU where they
can stick their organization.

Vote UKIP! At least until Michael Howard comes to his senses and adopts
their policy.

Richard.

richard devereux wrote:

>> More than 65% of the UK's trade is now with other EU countries. The
>> cross-Channel trade in alcohol and tobacco alone is worth over 4.5

billion

>> euros annually... (Source: European Commission)
>
> RD: Leaving aside the fact that the European Parliament and Commision

are

> riddled with corruption, the trade you mention is entirely in favour of
> France and Belgium and a drain on the UK. It's absurd that people can

bring

···

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To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2004 10:58 AM
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> vanloads of booze and fags back across the Channel and claim it's for a
> party. Sooner we get out of the EU the better.

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#9

Are you one of those people who thinks the Daily Mail is a left-wing rag...?

richard devereux wrote:

···

RD: Yeah, being taken to a European court by a corrupt European organization
whose only criteria are making money for, and increasing the power of, the
fat cats on the gravy train. All the more reason to tell the EU where they
can stick their organization.

#10

Ed,

You really WANT to be ruled by a bunch of inbred bluebloods "with no
more right to live on gods green earth than a weasel"??? Bejesus, it
took us a millenium to reduce them to expensive irrelevances. Still,
there is no democracy, so what do i know?

Vote SNP!

;-0

david murray

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@h...>
wrote:

The mother country is starting to sound like the colonists in

1776. There

is a relatively easy and painless (if long term) solution.

Stop playing footsie with the Europeans and join the North American

Free

Trade Pact. You have more in common with your daughter colonies of

Canada

and the United States than with the French and Germans. If the

English can

stay off those irritating high horses, Her Majesty could become Our

Majesty

again in a century, or so.

For more than four hundred years the UK turned its back on the

continent

and looked upon the Atlantic. It could work once more. Or is this

Ed

living in the past again?
Ed Mills

>From: "richard devereux" <rd@p...>
>Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
>To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Off-topic:
>Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:17:43 +0100
>
>
>From: "Tony & Janette" <janton@n...>
>To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 12:28 AM
>Subject: [mepbmlist] Off-topic:
>
>
> >
> > And what percentage bother to vote....? Customers definately

losing

> > interest
> >
> > Its even worse for us. We in the UK don't even get to vote for

whether

>Bush
> > or Kerry gets to control our country....
>
>RD: Vote UKIP!
>
>Richard.
> >
> > From: "Rodrigo Maia" <g0th@b...>
> > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 11:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well, we currently don't have much choice, but the close

fight between

> > > bush and kerry and the public acceptance of Bush shows us

that ppl

>might
> > > be really sick about having an opinion....
> > >
> > > Rodrigo Maia. sorry for this "off-topicking", but its

a very

> > > interesting matter =P
> > > From: Tony & Janette
> > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 9:16 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Or perhaps Democracy is the greatest...
> > >
> > > From: "Rodrigo Maia" <g0th@b...>
> > > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Communism being the greatest example =PPP
> > > >
> > > > Rodrigo Maia
> > > > From: Gavinwj
> > > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME Announcement
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > R.K.Floyd wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ** Is it possible for a great product to stagnate and

for its

> > > customers
> > > > to
> > > > > gradually lose interest?
> > > > >
> > > > > Russ
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, yes.
> > > >
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#11

Sooner we get out of the EU the better. Vote UKIP!

--With that petty tyrant in waiting, Robert something or other, as
leader? Former-MP, former TV-Host? He makes Bush and Co look like the
rational choice of the well-educated!!!

david murray

#12

RD: Yeah, being taken to a European court by a corrupt European

organization

whose only criteria are making money for, and increasing the power

of, the

fat cats on the gravy train. All the more reason to tell the EU

where they

can stick their organization.

--Hmmm, sounds strangely like government to me...but then i`m a
cynic. The US isn`t a democracy, it`s a republic. The UK government
isn`t a democracy, it`s a private club that to this day still runs
undemocratic elections and pretends otherwise. That`s why you have to
laugh at the likes of Bliar and Bush taking their democratic crusade
to parts of the world that offend their sensibilities...

david murray

#13

> Sooner we get out of the EU the better. Vote UKIP!

--With that petty tyrant in waiting, Robert something or other, as
leader? Former-MP, former TV-Host? He makes Bush and Co look like the
rational choice of the well-educated!!!

david murray

RD: Any mediocrity is better than Blair, Brown & co. Even Bush!

Richard.

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plz tell me u didnt say that.... :frowning:

        Who THE HELL is Bush better than anything? Even terrorists know when to shut the hell up....

    Rodrigo Maia

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#15

> RD: Yeah, being taken to a European court by a corrupt European
organization
> whose only criteria are making money for, and increasing the power
of, the
> fat cats on the gravy train. All the more reason to tell the EU
where they
> can stick their organization.

--Hmmm, sounds strangely like government to me...but then i`m a
cynic. The US isn`t a democracy, it`s a republic. The UK government
isn`t a democracy, it`s a private club that to this day still runs
undemocratic elections and pretends otherwise. That`s why you have to
laugh at the likes of Bliar and Bush taking their democratic crusade
to parts of the world that offend their sensibilities...

david murray

RD: allow me to finish that sentence for you: ...and own some of the
world's richest oilfields.

Love your spelling of 'Bliar!'

Richard.

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#16

Geeez! I don't think I've used the delete button this much in years!
What forum is this again? I've lost track with all these "off topic"
posts. :wink:

Mike Mulka

#17

Urzahil wrote:

Geeez! I don't think I've used the delete button this much in years! What forum is this again? I've lost track with all these "off topic" posts. :wink:

I'm with ya, Mike. We had too many of those discussions in 2002. Let's stick to Orc-Elf politics if we can.

    jason

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#18

You mean, the American election isn't the same thing...?

Brad

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#19

RD: Any mediocrity is better than Blair, Brown & co. Even Bush!

*gulp*...i think i`m hallucinating...

david murray

#20

Love your spelling of 'Bliar!'

Richard.

Completely accidental i assure you :wink:

He and George have so much in common, apparently god told them to
invade iraq. which god is yours to decide.

david murray