Prisoners..

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#1

Hi,
I certainly have no problem with the concept of playing in the same game as prisoners. I currently play in (and GM) games
where this is the case. There may be a legal case for announcing in advance that prisoners will be playing in a game,
though I would dispute the effectiveness of this. If people are worried about the possibility of criminals having details
of their address etc, then doesn't this apply to anyone who has a criminal record or who is psychologically assessed as
being a potential risk to the community? Where to draw the line?

Personally I wouldn't draw it in the first place - people should be aware that they give out their address, email or phone
number to other players of a PBM game *at their own risk*.

Colin.

#2

If people are worried about the possibility of criminals having details
of their address etc, then doesn't this apply to anyone who has a criminal record or who is psychologically assessed as
being a potential risk to the community? Where to draw the line?

The legal system draws the line for you - lines of parallel iron bars. At the moment, in England, people do not have to reveal their criminal records, except when applying for very specific protected occupations. Prisoners, do, in all usual situations, have to reveal the fact that they are convicted criminals. This system exists (among other reasons) to balance the needs of protection of society with the need for eventual rehabilitation of the criminal.

Personally I wouldn't draw it in the first place - people should be aware that they give out their address, email or phone
number to other players of a PBM game *at their own risk*.

Easy to say. Now consider: Young Mepbm teeny, plays with older more experienced player. Over the course of time, they become mates, just as normal well adjusted people with a common interest, communicating weekly or even daily, tend to do. Older more experienced player comes out of prison, looks up teeny, and does any one of a number of despicable things to him, or his family. Now, where do Harlequin stand if they knew that that individual was in prison, but had not told the young teeny? I don't mean legally, I mean morally. Clint and Co. should consider such a worst case scenario, and ask themselves how they would _feel_ if such a thing ever actually happened.

And what will you be saying Colin, to the teeny and his parents, "Tough luck, he was stupid to give out his address"?

And finally, you should all be reminded on how easy it is, if you have someone's name, and a rough idea of the region where they live, to actually find out the address.

Laurence G. Tilley

http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk

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At 04:02 PM 17-02-02, Colin Forbes wrote:

#3

Im personally sick of this thread, Bottom line ; as long as harq does not
give my personal info to prisoners I have no problem with them playing, but
it should be MY choice, let them use 3x5's till I decide otherwise.

Please end this thread
BS

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurence G. Tilley" <laurence@lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>; <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Prisoners..

At 04:02 PM 17-02-02, Colin Forbes wrote:
>If people are worried about the possibility of criminals having details
>of their address etc, then doesn't this apply to anyone who has a

criminal

>record or who is psychologically assessed as
>being a potential risk to the community? Where to draw the line?

The legal system draws the line for you - lines of parallel iron bars. At
the moment, in England, people do not have to reveal their criminal
records, except when applying for very specific protected
occupations. Prisoners, do, in all usual situations, have to reveal the
fact that they are convicted criminals. This system exists (among other
reasons) to balance the needs of protection of society with the need for
eventual rehabilitation of the criminal.

>Personally I wouldn't draw it in the first place - people should be aware
>that they give out their address, email or phone
>number to other players of a PBM game *at their own risk*.

Easy to say. Now consider: Young Mepbm teeny, plays with older more
experienced player. Over the course of time, they become mates, just as
normal well adjusted people with a common interest, communicating weekly

or

even daily, tend to do. Older more experienced player comes out of

prison,

looks up teeny, and does any one of a number of despicable things to him,
or his family. Now, where do Harlequin stand if they knew that that
individual was in prison, but had not told the young teeny? I don't mean
legally, I mean morally. Clint and Co. should consider such a worst case
scenario, and ask themselves how they would _feel_ if such a thing ever
actually happened.

And what will you be saying Colin, to the teeny and his parents, "Tough
luck, he was stupid to give out his address"?

And finally, you should all be reminded on how easy it is, if you have
someone's name, and a rough idea of the region where they live, to

actually

find out the address.

Laurence G. Tilley

http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk

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#4

Hi,
I certainly have no problem with the concept of playing in the same game

as prisoners. I currently play in (and GM) games

where this is the case. There may be a legal case for announcing in

advance that prisoners will be playing in a game,

though I would dispute the effectiveness of this. If people are worried

about the possibility of criminals having details

of their address etc, then doesn't this apply to anyone who has a criminal

record or who is psychologically assessed as

being a potential risk to the community? Where to draw the line?

Personally I wouldn't draw it in the first place - people should be aware

that they give out their address, email or phone

number to other players of a PBM game *at their own risk*.

Colin.

RD: The point is that Harle CAN warn players that current prisoners have
signed up for a certain game, so other players can avoid that game or take
precautions if they wish. I think Harle should do this, because they can,
easily.

There is no way Harle can know if a new player got out of jail yesterday.
It may be desirable to know, but totally unrealistic to expect Harle to try
to find out.

Richard.

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Prisoners..

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#5

hay Laurence
if don about 3 weaks fore drunkdriven do you think i will com and ead
your pupy Not likly. (maby kims cats but i told him years a goe i was
going to eat them)

The butom line not all Bad foks is in jail and not all in jail is bad
(exsept fore the gards they a all bad)

Me- games shall tell if they like

David

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Laurence G. Tilley" <laurence@l...> wrote:

>If people are worried about the possibility of criminals having

details

>of their address etc, then doesn't this apply to anyone who has a

criminal

>record or who is psychologically assessed as
>being a potential risk to the community? Where to draw the line?

The legal system draws the line for you - lines of parallel iron

bars. At

the moment, in England, people do not have to reveal their criminal
records, except when applying for very specific protected
occupations. Prisoners, do, in all usual situations, have to

reveal the

fact that they are convicted criminals. This system exists (among

other

reasons) to balance the needs of protection of society with the

need for

eventual rehabilitation of the criminal.

>Personally I wouldn't draw it in the first place - people should

be aware

>that they give out their address, email or phone
>number to other players of a PBM game *at their own risk*.

Easy to say. Now consider: Young Mepbm teeny, plays with older

more

experienced player. Over the course of time, they become mates,

just as

normal well adjusted people with a common interest, communicating

weekly or

even daily, tend to do. Older more experienced player comes out of

prison,

looks up teeny, and does any one of a number of despicable things

to him,

or his family. Now, where do Harlequin stand if they knew that

that

individual was in prison, but had not told the young teeny? I

don't mean

legally, I mean morally. Clint and Co. should consider such a

worst case

scenario, and ask themselves how they would _feel_ if such a thing

ever

actually happened.

And what will you be saying Colin, to the teeny and his

parents, "Tough

luck, he was stupid to give out his address"?

And finally, you should all be reminded on how easy it is, if you

have

someone's name, and a rough idea of the region where they live, to

actually

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At 04:02 PM 17-02-02, Colin Forbes wrote:
find out the address.

Laurence G. Tilley

http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk