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#1

The problem is that DS would want more non-winter
turns than winter turns, so FP would wait the full two
weeks to get their orders in.. In the winter, it
would be the DS waiting the full two weeks to submit
turns.

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--- RKF <rkfloyd@charter.net> wrote:

I like Laurence's idea. It would give me a reason
to check my email every day. It woudl be great for a
gunboat game.

Russ
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  From: Laurence G. Tilley
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME 1wk game 1650

  At 02:03 28/02/2005, you wrote:
  >Any requests for one of these? I've got a
handful of players vaguely
  >interested but would need some more.

        Game gets processed two weeks after the
previous
  process, but earlier if all orders are in. Go on,
think outside the box,
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#2

So little faith in the players? :wink:

You may be right. What happens in the 1 week games? - Are there twice as
many winter turns as usual? Is the program still linked to the real world
calendar?

Could it be detached from the real world calendar, so that there are 6 (or
12 or whatever) winter turns, then 6 spring turns etc., irrespective of
processing dates?

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At 23:15 04/03/2005, you wrote:

The problem is that DS would want more non-winter
turns than winter turns, so FP would wait the full two
weeks to get their orders in.. In the winter, it
would be the DS waiting the full two weeks to submit
turns.

--- RKF <rkfloyd@charter.net> wrote:
> I like Laurence's idea. It would give me a reason
> to check my email every day. It woudl be great for a
> gunboat game.
>
> Russ
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> >Any requests for one of these? I've got a
> handful of players vaguely
> >interested but would need some more.
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#3

I would be far too interested in the upcoming turn to abuse the winter scenario. A quality player ought to be able to deal with the production/gold loss in either case.

Jason

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  From: Laurence G. Tilley
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  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: process on demand game

  So little faith in the players? :wink:

  You may be right. What happens in the 1 week games? - Are there twice as
  many winter turns as usual? Is the program still linked to the real world
  calendar?

  Could it be detached from the real world calendar, so that there are 6 (or
  12 or whatever) winter turns, then 6 spring turns etc., irrespective of
  processing dates?

  At 23:15 04/03/2005, you wrote:

  >The problem is that DS would want more non-winter
  >turns than winter turns, so FP would wait the full two
  >weeks to get their orders in.. In the winter, it
  >would be the DS waiting the full two weeks to submit
  >turns.
  >
  >
  >--- RKF <rkfloyd@charter.net> wrote:
  > > I like Laurence's idea. It would give me a reason
  > > to check my email every day. It woudl be great for a
  > > gunboat game.
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  > > Russ
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  > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME 1wk game 1650
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  > > >Any requests for one of these? I've got a
  > > handful of players vaguely
  > > >interested but would need some more.
  > >
  > > Game gets processed two weeks after the
  > > previous
  > > process, but earlier if all orders are in. Go on,
  > > think outside the box,
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#4

25 players actually taking initiative, yeah right.

Special service was abused under GSI to keep a nation from
bankrupting.

4/3

I would be far too interested in the upcoming turn to abuse the

winter scenario. A quality player ought to be able to deal with the
production/gold loss in either case.

Jason

  From: Laurence G. Tilley
  To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: process on demand game

  So little faith in the players? :wink:

  You may be right. What happens in the 1 week games? - Are there

twice as

  many winter turns as usual? Is the program still linked to the

real world

  calendar?

  Could it be detached from the real world calendar, so that there

are 6 (or

  12 or whatever) winter turns, then 6 spring turns etc.,

irrespective of

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mele" <necron99@c...> wrote:

  ----- Original Message -----
  processing dates?

  At 23:15 04/03/2005, you wrote:

  >The problem is that DS would want more non-winter
  >turns than winter turns, so FP would wait the full two
  >weeks to get their orders in.. In the winter, it
  >would be the DS waiting the full two weeks to submit
  >turns.
  >
  >
  >--- RKF <rkfloyd@c...> wrote:
  > > I like Laurence's idea. It would give me a reason
  > > to check my email every day. It woudl be great for a
  > > gunboat game.
  > >
  > > Russ
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  > > From: Laurence G. Tilley
  > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:05 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME 1wk game 1650
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  > > >Any requests for one of these? I've got a
  > > handful of players vaguely
  > > >interested but would need some more.
  > >
  > > Game gets processed two weeks after the
  > > previous
  > > process, but earlier if all orders are in. Go on,
  > > think outside the box,
  > > and give it a go.
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#5

  So little faith in the players? :wink:

Faith that playing the game is using the rules to win.

  You may be right. What happens in the 1 week
games? - Are there twice as
  many winter turns as usual? Is the program still
linked to the real world
  calendar?

Yep.

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#6

Dirtbags! :wink:

Russ

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----- Original Message -----
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  Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: process on demand game

  The problem is that DS would want more non-winter
  turns than winter turns, so FP would wait the full two
  weeks to get their orders in.. In the winter, it
  would be the DS waiting the full two weeks to submit
  turns.

  --- RKF <rkfloyd@charter.net> wrote:
  > I like Laurence's idea. It would give me a reason
  > to check my email every day. It woudl be great for a
  > gunboat game.
  >
  > Russ
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Laurence G. Tilley
  > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:05 AM
  > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME 1wk game 1650
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  >
  > At 02:03 28/02/2005, you wrote:
  > >Any requests for one of these? I've got a
  > handful of players vaguely
  > >interested but would need some more.
  >
  > Game gets processed two weeks after the
  > previous
  > process, but earlier if all orders are in. Go on,
  > think outside the box,
  > and give it a go.
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#7

I would be far too interested in the upcoming turn to abuse the
winter scenario. A quality player ought to be able to deal with the
production/gold loss in either case.

That is about the most assanine statement I have ever heard. Anytime you want to play the dark servants Jason and it is always winter, let me know. Since you are a good player, I am sure you will overcome any shortfalls.

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To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: process on demand game
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 00:24:07 -0000

25 players actually taking initiative, yeah right.

Special service was abused under GSI to keep a nation from
bankrupting.

4/3

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Mele" <necron99@c...> wrote:
> I would be far too interested in the upcoming turn to abuse the
winter scenario. A quality player ought to be able to deal with the
production/gold loss in either case.
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Laurence G. Tilley
> To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 6:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: process on demand game
>
> So little faith in the players? :wink:
>
> You may be right. What happens in the 1 week games? - Are there
twice as
> many winter turns as usual? Is the program still linked to the
real world
> calendar?
>
> Could it be detached from the real world calendar, so that there
are 6 (or
> 12 or whatever) winter turns, then 6 spring turns etc.,
irrespective of
> processing dates?
>
> At 23:15 04/03/2005, you wrote:
>
> >The problem is that DS would want more non-winter
> >turns than winter turns, so FP would wait the full two
> >weeks to get their orders in.. In the winter, it
> >would be the DS waiting the full two weeks to submit
> >turns.
> >
> >--- RKF <rkfloyd@c...> wrote:
> > > I like Laurence's idea. It would give me a reason
> > > to check my email every day. It woudl be great for a
> > > gunboat game.
> > >
> > > Russ
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Laurence G. Tilley
> > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:05 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME 1wk game 1650
> > >
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> > > >Any requests for one of these? I've got a
> > > handful of players vaguely
> > > >interested but would need some more.
> > >
> > > Game gets processed two weeks after the
> > > previous
> > > process, but earlier if all orders are in. Go on,
> > > think outside the box,
> > > and give it a go.
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#8

The problem is that DS would want more non-winter
turns than winter turns, so FP would wait the full two
weeks to get their orders in.. In the winter, it
would be the DS waiting the full two weeks to submit
turns.

RD: Also, what happens when a player, having sent in his orders early, is
asked to make a change by his team-mates to fit team plans, but because all
orders have all arrived early, the game gets processed and the desired
change does not?

You could just say, 'tough luck pal,' but if you don't process a change
which the majority of the team wanted, you may find that team quitting or
enough of them to wreck the game.

Richard.

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> I like Laurence's idea. It would give me a reason
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> gunboat game.
>
> Russ
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME 1wk game 1650
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> At 02:03 28/02/2005, you wrote:
> >Any requests for one of these? I've got a
> handful of players vaguely
> >interested but would need some more.
>
> Game gets processed two weeks after the
> previous
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That would be the price to pay for a game which eliminates some of the
boring waiting. It's not an unreasonable price - any individual player
could delay the process, up to the limit of 2 weeks, by holding on to his
own orders. So if for example you are trying to persuade a team mate to
change an order, you'd not send in your own orders until you'd persuaded
him, given up, or got too close to the deadline. A good team should be
able to co-ordinate well enough to circulate draft orders, with proposed
submission dates, then submit them if there have been no objections or
corrections raised.

Certainly there's a slightly increased chance of errors. But it's much the
same if you move from an unlimited chess game, to the use of a chess clock,
errors increase. But chess clocks were invented due to the fact that many
players get more entertainment from a more zippy game. In a process on
demand game, you'd get your 2 weeks whenever you needed or wanted them, but
if everyone was happy to proceed - especially in those first 6 or so turns
when you have 12 characters and many standard moves - then they'd be
playing instead of twiddling thumbs.

I acknowledge the seasonal problem, but that's a programming issue, which
should IMO, be corrected.

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At 08:03 06/03/2005, richard devereux wrote:

RD: Also, what happens when a player, having sent in his orders early, is
asked to make a change by his team-mates to fit team plans, but because all
orders have all arrived early, the game gets processed and the desired
change does not?

#10

All you have to do to trial it by starting with a Gunboat game, then
you don't have the issue of teammates wanting their orders
reviewed/changed. I think it would be interesting, but still more
difficult for some nations due to the weather factors affecting
certain areas more than others for longer periods of time.

Mark F.

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Laurence G. Tilley"
<lgtilley@m...> wrote:

>RD: Also, what happens when a player, having sent in his orders

early, is

>asked to make a change by his team-mates to fit team plans, but

because all

>orders have all arrived early, the game gets processed and the

desired

>change does not?

That would be the price to pay for a game which eliminates some of

the

boring waiting. It's not an unreasonable price - any individual

player

could delay the process, up to the limit of 2 weeks, by holding on

to his

own orders. So if for example you are trying to persuade a team

mate to

change an order, you'd not send in your own orders until you'd

persuaded

him, given up, or got too close to the deadline. A good team

should be

able to co-ordinate well enough to circulate draft orders, with

proposed

submission dates, then submit them if there have been no

objections or

corrections raised.

Certainly there's a slightly increased chance of errors. But it's

much the

same if you move from an unlimited chess game, to the use of a

chess clock,

errors increase. But chess clocks were invented due to the fact

that many

players get more entertainment from a more zippy game. In a

process on

demand game, you'd get your 2 weeks whenever you needed or wanted

them, but

if everyone was happy to proceed - especially in those first 6 or

so turns

when you have 12 characters and many standard moves - then they'd

be

playing instead of twiddling thumbs.

I acknowledge the seasonal problem, but that's a programming

issue, which

···

At 08:03 06/03/2005, richard devereux wrote:
should IMO, be corrected.

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http://www.lgtilley.freeserve.co.uk

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#11

The rules of the scenario are "process when all turns are in", and you would
agree to this when you sign up for that game. Therefore, you would have to
be even more careful and coordinated... In your example, it is clear that
the *whole* team has submitted orders before its plans were firmed up,
otherwise the turn could not have been run, could it!

And quitting a game in a huff because the pre-agreed rules were applied
would be a bit, well, petty.

Gavin

richard devereux wrote:

···

RD: Also, what happens when a player, having sent in his orders early, is
asked to make a change by his team-mates to fit team plans, but because all
orders have all arrived early, the game gets processed and the desired
change does not?

You could just say, 'tough luck pal,' but if you don't process a change
which the majority of the team wanted, you may find that team quitting or
enough of them to wreck the game.

#12

RD: Also, what happens when a player, having sent in his orders early, is
asked to make a change by his team-mates to fit team plans, but because all
orders have all arrived early, the game gets processed and the desired
change does not?

That would have to be agreed. I think as long as you are aware of the rules then you'd be okay. You could have a delay of 1 day say (or a warning if all except 2 players have their turns in so that you have a little time to modify things.) Then it would be scenario b) described below.

Clint

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You could just say, 'tough luck pal,' but if you don't process a change
which the majority of the team wanted, you may find that team quitting or
enough of them to wreck the game.

Richard.
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> --- RKF <rkfloyd@charter.net> wrote:
> > I like Laurence's idea. It would give me a reason
> > to check my email every day. It woudl be great for a
> > gunboat game.
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> > Russ
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] ME 1wk game 1650
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> > >Any requests for one of these? I've got a
> > handful of players vaguely
> > >interested but would need some more.
> >
> > Game gets processed two weeks after the
> > previous
> > process, but earlier if all orders are in. Go on,
> > think outside the box,
> > and give it a go.
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#13

It's not an unreasonable price - any individual player

could delay the process, up to the limit of 2 weeks, by holding on to his
own orders. So if for example you are trying to persuade a team mate to
change an order, you'd not send in your own orders until you'd persuaded
him, given up, or got too close to the deadline. A good team should be
able to co-ordinate well enough to circulate draft orders, with proposed
submission dates, then submit them if there have been no objections or
corrections raised.

You could have a rule about delays or something like if there are only 2 players left to put orders in then you have 48 hours to get your turns in? Being aware of the pressures of real life this would give some time to get orders in yet also keep the flow of the game going.

Certainly there's a slightly increased chance of errors. But it's much the
same if you move from an unlimited chess game, to the use of a chess clock,
errors increase. But chess clocks were invented due to the fact that many
players get more entertainment from a more zippy game. In a process on
demand game, you'd get your 2 weeks whenever you needed or wanted them, but
if everyone was happy to proceed - especially in those first 6 or so turns
when you have 12 characters and many standard moves - then they'd be
playing instead of twiddling thumbs.

Like FTF games - more errors the faster you play upto a certain level where more time doesn't improve your play but can actually worsen it as co-ordination falls apart etc.

I acknowledge the seasonal problem, but that's a programming issue, which
should IMO, be corrected.

You could have the game move on 2weeks each time that would avoid the problem. Deadlines would be within 2 wks of the last time and we'd have to check at our end (some admin but usually okay - in the FTF games we do this for example).

Clint

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