Anyone got an answer for these 2 riddles? Any help would be greatly
appreciated and if/when I get the right answer I will post to verify
them. Thanks in advance.
Named in Numenorean form
he led seven hundred into the besieging storm.
A mighty warrior on field and before gate,
Prince he, his daughter king-wed by fate.
In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.
Fred
isn't the second riddle tom bombadil.
tim
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 06:40:12 -0000Anyone got an answer for these 2 riddles? Any help would be greatly
appreciated and if/when I get the right answer I will post to verify
them. Thanks in advance.Named in Numenorean form
he led seven hundred into the besieging storm.
A mighty warrior on field and before gate,
Prince he, his daughter king-wed by fate.In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.Fred
Anyone got an answer for these 2 riddles? Any help
would be greatly
appreciated and if/when I get the right answer I
will post to verify
them. Thanks in advance.Named in Numenorean form
he led seven hundred into the besieging storm.
A mighty warrior on field and before gate,
Prince he, his daughter king-wed by fate.
I think this would be Prince Imrahil, I think his
daughter married Eomer.
Named in Numenorean form
he led seven hundred into the besieging storm.
A mighty warrior on field and before gate,
Prince he, his daughter king-wed by fate.
* I agree this is Imrahil- His daughter wed Eomer after the War of
the Ring and he did bring 700 knights to Minas Tirith for The Battle
of Pellenor Fields.
In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.
This one was bandied about on the forums. Both Radagast and Tom
Bombadil were incorrect answers. Someone did mention Ghan-buri-ghan
which seems to fit quite well.
Greg
Could this be Treebeard?
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>
>
> Named in Numenorean form
> he led seven hundred into the besieging storm.
> A mighty warrior on field and before gate,
> Prince he, his daughter king-wed by fate.* I agree this is Imrahil- His daughter wed Eomer
after the War of
the Ring and he did bring 700 knights to Minas
Tirith for The Battle
of Pellenor Fields.> In a forest lived he
> as hearty as the proverbial tree.
> During the struggle he helped as he could
> but, in the end, he did as he would.This one was bandied about on the forums. Both
Radagast and Tom
Bombadil were incorrect answers. Someone did
mention Ghan-buri-ghan
which seems to fit quite well.
Bombadil and Radagast dont quite fit in my point of view bwcause of the last line. I believe that the answer is someone that eventually died, for it says : but in the end, he did as he would.
But i dont have a clue to which is the answer. I thought treebeard, but he also didnt die, as far as i remember. Maybe Haldir, for his help in Helms deep ? But an elf is hardly "hearty"....
Rodrigo Maia
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>
>
> Named in Numenorean form
> he led seven hundred into the besieging storm.
> A mighty warrior on field and before gate,
> Prince he, his daughter king-wed by fate.
* I agree this is Imrahil- His daughter wed Eomer after the War of
the Ring and he did bring 700 knights to Minas Tirith for The Battle
of Pellenor Fields.
> In a forest lived he
> as hearty as the proverbial tree.
> During the struggle he helped as he could
> but, in the end, he did as he would.
This one was bandied about on the forums. Both Radagast and Tom
Bombadil were incorrect answers. Someone did mention Ghan-buri-ghan
which seems to fit quite well.
Greg
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The elves in Helm's Deep was purely a creation of Peter Jackson.
They, including Haldir, had nothing to do with the battle in
Tolkien's text. The purist in me is really irked by Jackson's
derivation but hey, all in all a good set of films.
GB
Bombadil and Radagast dont quite fit in my point of view bwcause of
the last line. I believe that the answer is someone that eventually
died, for it says : but in the end, he did as he would.
But i dont have a clue to which is the answer. I thought
treebeard, but he also didnt die, as far as i remember. Maybe Haldir,
for his help in Helms deep ? But an elf is hardly "hearty"....
Rodrigo Maia
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>
> Named in Numenorean form
> he led seven hundred into the besieging storm.
> A mighty warrior on field and before gate,
> Prince he, his daughter king-wed by fate.* I agree this is Imrahil- His daughter wed Eomer after the War
of
the Ring and he did bring 700 knights to Minas Tirith for The
Battle
of Pellenor Fields.
> In a forest lived he
> as hearty as the proverbial tree.
> During the struggle he helped as he could
> but, in the end, he did as he would.This one was bandied about on the forums. Both Radagast and Tom
Bombadil were incorrect answers. Someone did mention Ghan-buri-
ghan
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It irked the hell out of me, but learning why it was
done helped a little.
It was fealt that to please a mass audience, there
needed to be 2 things added..... More love story, more
stuff done by women.
This is why so much was narriated by Galadriel.
This is why Arwin got to take Frodo to Imladris.
Well, the point of the elves going to Helm's Deep is
that they were led there by Arwin. This then makes
sense that they were Noldor, wearing the battle gear
of Elrond. Arwin brought the elven archers to Helm's
Deep to both enhance the love story and enhance the
part of women in the fight.
Let's face it. Tolkien was a WWI soldier that wrote
the story from a real look at the horrors of war
prespective where mostly men do the real fighting and
dieing.... Where love is before and after the
battles, but not during.....
NOT as appealing to the mass market as having women as
battle heros and the love story integrated through the
movie. Actually, Tolkien was ahead of his time with
Eoywn playing a significant role in a battle..... but
it wasn't enough for the modern audience.
They shot the scenes with Liv Tyler, but in editing,
they decided they just couldn't use them. She
couldn't handle a sword for crap. So they were forced
to reshoot the scenes. And the only elven character
that was available was Haldir. Thus the stupidity of
having a Sindar elf bringing Noldor elves into Helm's
Deep for the battle.
This one irked me as much as the silly spider orcs in
Moria.... If orcs can climb walls like spiders in
Moria, then why would they need a battering ram to
break down the gate of Minas Tirith.... just go up and
over the wall.
Jackson said he really tried to balance special
effects and story. With the Moria spider orcs, he
went WAY off balance toward "cool effects" at the
major cost of story.
--- compliance00 <BairG@NASD.com> wrote:
The elves in Helm's Deep was purely a creation of
Peter Jackson.
They, including Haldir, had nothing to do with the
battle in
Tolkien's text. The purist in me is really irked by
Jackson's
derivation but hey, all in all a good set of films.
GB
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This one irked me as much as the silly spider orcs in
Moria.... If orcs can climb walls like spiders in
Moria, then why would they need a battering ram to
break down the gate of Minas Tirith.... just go up and
over the wall.Jackson said he really tried to balance special
effects and story. With the Moria spider orcs, he
went WAY off balance toward "cool effects" at the
major cost of story.
Maybe I have missed something (and lets face it, it happens a lot) but
aren't they supposed to be goblins ?
Thomas
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I didn't think Tolkein differentiated...goblins and orcs were the same things, weren't they? Different words used by different people in different places = same thing (eg, elevator and lift).
Brad
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Maybe I have missed something (and lets face it, it happens a lot) but
aren't they supposed to be goblins ?Thomas
> Maybe I have missed something (and lets face it, it happens a lot) but
> aren't they supposed to be goblins ?
>
> ThomasI didn't think Tolkein differentiated...goblins and orcs were the same
things, weren't they? Different words used by different people in
different
places = same thing (eg, elevator and lift).
Brad
I dont know.. I thought they were slightly different myself.. Goblins being
shorter, more agile and faster with Orcs being bigger and slower.
Thomas
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actually, Tolkien seems to have started out in The
Hobbit using 'goblin' and 'orc' differently, as the
Misty Mtns were described as having 'goblins,
hobgoblins and orcs' in them, but by the time he
published LoTR, 'orc' seems to have become simply the
elvish word for goblin and eventually seems to have
simply replaced the word all together, even among the
humans.
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From: "Grey Squirrel" <greysquirrel@blueyonder.co.uk
>
> Maybe I have missed something (and lets face it,
it happens a lot) but
> aren't they supposed to be goblins ?
>
> ThomasI didn't think Tolkein differentiated...goblins and
orcs were the same
things, weren't they? Different words used by
different people in different
places = same thing (eg, elevator and lift).Brad
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Tolkien used "Goblins" only in "The Hobbit". It was a
kids' book after all, and he wanted a term that would
be familiar to the typical pre-teen/teen-ager.
In a later revision of "The Hobbit", Tolkien added a
passage talking about Goblins, "even the really big
ones, the orcs."
I saw a letter from him where he said he really
regreted using the term "goblin" and that the goblins
of "The Hobbit" and orcs of his other works were
really intended to be the same creatures.
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> > Maybe I have missed something (and lets face it,
it happens a lot) but
> > aren't they supposed to be goblins ?
> >
> > Thomas
>
> I didn't think Tolkein differentiated...goblins
and orcs were the same
> things, weren't they? Different words used by
different people in
different
> places = same thing (eg, elevator and lift).
>
> BradI dont know.. I thought they were slightly different
myself.. Goblins being
shorter, more agile and faster with Orcs being
bigger and slower.Thomas
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> The elves in Helm's Deep was purely a creation of
> Peter Jackson.
> They, including Haldir, had nothing to do with the
> battle in
> Tolkien's text. The purist in me is really irked by
> Jackson's
> derivation but hey, all in all a good set of films.
> GBIt irked the hell out of me, but learning why it was
done helped a little.It was fealt that to please a mass audience, there
needed to be 2 things added..... More love story, more
stuff done by women.This is why so much was narriated by Galadriel.
This is why Arwin got to take Frodo to Imladris.
Well, the point of the elves going to Helm's Deep is
that they were led there by Arwin. This then makes
sense that they were Noldor, wearing the battle gear
of Elrond. Arwin brought the elven archers to Helm's
Deep to both enhance the love story and enhance the
part of women in the fight.
RD: What irked me is how the hell the elves, who had to march from Imladris
if the were Noldor, or Lorien if they were Sindar, got to Helm's Deep before
Saruman's army. Visually the elves were very effective, but what happened
to the geography?
Let's face it. Tolkien was a WWI soldier that wrote
the story from a real look at the horrors of war
prespective where mostly men do the real fighting and
dieing.... Where love is before and after the
battles, but not during.....NOT as appealing to the mass market as having women as
battle heros and the love story integrated through the
movie. Actually, Tolkien was ahead of his time with
Eoywn playing a significant role in a battle..... but
it wasn't enough for the modern audience.They shot the scenes with Liv Tyler, but in editing,
they decided they just couldn't use them. She
couldn't handle a sword for crap. So they were forced
to reshoot the scenes. And the only elven character
that was available was Haldir. Thus the stupidity of
having a Sindar elf bringing Noldor elves into Helm's
Deep for the battle.This one irked me as much as the silly spider orcs in
Moria.... If orcs can climb walls like spiders in
Moria, then why would they need a battering ram to
break down the gate of Minas Tirith.... just go up and
over the wall.
RD: There were many different tribes of orcs, all with different abilities.
Jackson said he really tried to balance special
effects and story. With the Moria spider orcs, he
went WAY off balance toward "cool effects" at the
major cost of story.
RD: Sorry to disagree with you on this one, Darrell, but I thought the
'spider orcs' were creepy and VERY effective, and didn't affect the
storyline one iota.
What grated for me was the persistent and unfunny ridiculing of Gimli,
turning him into a caricature. To pick just one instance, what was Gimli
doing riding a horse on the journey from Meduseld to Helm's Deep? Answer:
so he could fall off, ha ha very funny I don't think. Tolkien is clear that
Gimli hated horses and the only time he rode, it was behind Legolas. What
made it even worse was that Eowyn, the king's neice and therefore a princess
as well as a born horsewoman, was LEADING Gimli's horse when common sense as
well as rank dictates that she should have been mounted whilst Gimli walked.
Nontheless, this is a minor fault in an otherwise excellent film.
Anyway, what about the riddles?
Richard.
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> > Maybe I have missed something (and lets face it, it happens a lot) but
> > aren't they supposed to be goblins ?
> >
> > Thomas
>
> I didn't think Tolkein differentiated...goblins and orcs were the same
> things, weren't they? Different words used by different people in
different
> places = same thing (eg, elevator and lift).
>
> BradI dont know.. I thought they were slightly different myself.. Goblins
being
shorter, more agile and faster with Orcs being bigger and slower.
Thomas
RD: According to Tolkien, orcs and goblins were the same race. He uses
goblins in The Hobbit and orcs in Lord of the Rings. Orc was derived from
Elvish, but the hobbit word for the same creature was goblin (Sam Gamgee as
they left Bree: '...he looks like more than half a gobin.').
Certainly different tribes of orcs had different abilities, eg, Snaga was a
scout and tracker, whilst the Uruk-hai were the biggest and hardest
(super-orcs if you like), and no doubt there were many other tribes with
different abilities in between, exactly as there were between different
human races.
Dungeons & Dragons simplified the issue by making goblins and orcs two
separate races as you describe them, but that's not how Tolkien wrote it.
What about the riddles?
Richard.
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