Riddle help

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#1

Anyone ever have this riddle?

Greedy and cruel with dwarven hoard,
which in turn caused death by the sword.
One of the greats in the grey of the Third,
not much more of him has ever been heard.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Fred

#2

Fred:
Is this 1650?
Ed

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Anyone ever have this riddle?

Greedy and cruel with dwarven hoard,
which in turn caused death by the sword.
One of the greats in the grey of the Third,
not much more of him has ever been heard.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Fred

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#3

I would presume the answer is SMAUG.

Any countering opinions?

- Steve M.

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At 08:09 PM 8/26/2006, you wrote:

Fred:
Is this 1650?
Ed

>From: "tuormo" <<mailto:tuormo%40austin.rr.com>tuormo@austin.rr.com>
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>Anyone ever have this riddle?
>
>Greedy and cruel with dwarven hoard,
>which in turn caused death by the sword.
>One of the greats in the grey of the Third,
>not much more of him has ever been heard.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>Fred
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#4

That was what my first thought was, but after having read it again
I'm starting to doubt that. Smaug was killed by bard the bowman not
by a sword. Otherwise Smaug fits.

Gavin

I would presume the answer is SMAUG.

Any countering opinions?

- Steve M.

>Fred:
>Is this 1650?
>Ed
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> >Anyone ever have this riddle?
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> >Greedy and cruel with dwarven hoard,
> >which in turn caused death by the sword.
> >One of the greats in the grey of the Third,
> >not much more of him has ever been heard.
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any help.
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#5

My guess would be SCATHA - referred to as one of the greatest
Dragons to infest the Grey Mountains (hence the "grey" reference).
Also, he was killed in the Third Age (c. III 2400) by Fram of the
Eotheod, but his hoard was disputed over by both Men and Dwarves.
They went to war over Scatha's great hoard.

Just a thought.
Mark Farrior

That was what my first thought was, but after having read it again
I'm starting to doubt that. Smaug was killed by bard the bowman

not

by a sword. Otherwise Smaug fits.

Gavin

> I would presume the answer is SMAUG.
>
> Any countering opinions?
>
> - Steve M.
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>
>
> >Fred:
> >Is this 1650?
> >Ed
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> At 08:09 PM 8/26/2006, you wrote:
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> > >Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:50:16 -0000
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> > >Anyone ever have this riddle?
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> > >Greedy and cruel with dwarven hoard,
> > >which in turn caused death by the sword.
> > >One of the greats in the grey of the Third,
> > >not much more of him has ever been heard.
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance for any help.
> > >
> > >Fred
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#6

Fred, Scatha was the best sounding answer I saw come
across this thread - can you follow up with the
community with the reply given and the result?

Thanks,

Brad

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--- tuormo <tuormo@austin.rr.com> wrote:

Anyone ever have this riddle?

Greedy and cruel with dwarven hoard,
which in turn caused death by the sword.
One of the greats in the grey of the Third,
not much more of him has ever been heard.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Fred

#7

Regarding Scatha -- entry from the Encyclopedia of Arda:

One of the greatest of the dragons to infest the Grey Mountains of the north. Of his life little is known, except that he was slain by Fram son of Frumgar (an ancestor of Eorl the Young) in the early days of the Éothéod.
  
His recovered hoard was the subject of great dispute between the Men of the Éothéod and the Dwarves of that region, who claimed the hoard as their own. Fram rebuked their claim, and sent them the teeth of the dragon, with the words, "Jewels such as these you will not match in your treasuries, for they are hard to come by."1 Thereafter there was war between the Éothéod and the Dwarves, a war in which Fram met his end.
  
However this dispute was resolved (we are not told), it seems that Fram's people retained at least some of the hoard, and brought it south with them when they settled in Rohan. The horn that Éowyn gave to Merry Brandybuck after the War of the Ring (many hundred years later) was said to have come from it.

The Encyclopedia of Arda is a great place to viist, here:

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

-- Ernie III

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Subject: [mepbmlist] Riddle help

Anyone ever have this riddle?

Greedy and cruel with dwarven hoard,
which in turn caused death by the sword.
One of the greats in the grey of the Third,
not much more of him has ever been heard.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Fred

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#8

Got my turn back yesterday and would like to let all know the answer
was indeed Scatha.

Thanks for the help.

Fred

Regarding Scatha -- entry from the Encyclopedia of Arda:

One of the greatest of the dragons to infest the Grey Mountains of

the north. Of his life little is known, except that he was slain by
Fram son of Frumgar (an ancestor of Eorl the Young) in the early
days of the Éothéod.

  
His recovered hoard was the subject of great dispute between the

Men of the Éothéod and the Dwarves of that region, who claimed the
hoard as their own. Fram rebuked their claim, and sent them the
teeth of the dragon, with the words, "Jewels such as these you will
not match in your treasuries, for they are hard to come by."1
Thereafter there was war between the Éothéod and the Dwarves, a
war in which Fram met his end.

  
However this dispute was resolved (we are not told), it seems that

Fram's people retained at least some of the hoard, and brought it
south with them when they settled in Rohan. The horn that Éowyn
gave to Merry Brandybuck after the War of the Ring (many hundred
years later) was said to have come from it.

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--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, DrakaraGM@... wrote:

The Encyclopedia of Arda is a great place to viist, here:

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

-- Ernie III

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Subject: [mepbmlist] Riddle help

Anyone ever have this riddle?

Greedy and cruel with dwarven hoard,
which in turn caused death by the sword.
One of the greats in the grey of the Third,
not much more of him has ever been heard.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Fred

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