Rulebook--Naval Combat

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OK, Mark, What's your beleif?

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From: "taurnil" <taurnil@yahoo.com>
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Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:17:03 -0000

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@h...> wrote:
> Yes, naval combat is murky. My citation in the "old" rules,
copyright 1992,
> is page 29 "Only the commander and crews manning the the transports
and
> warships will be considered in such conflicts" and page 52 wich
again
> mentions the commander, tactics and relations.

OK. But that does not imply your algorithm. The army combat algorithm
doesn't work that way. You have invented an algorithm to incorporate
the data elements mentioned in the rules. ... which does not make you
wrong. It just means your formula is not in the rules, not even
implicitly.

The point of dessention is
> fleet morale. If the crews participate does their morale count?

I believe the morale belongs to the troops, who do not participate,
not the crews, who do. Again, that doesn't make you wrong. I just
think that if morale is in the equation it contradicts the spirit of
the rulebook's description of what morale is.

Yes. Why?
> Using the four part subformula has allowed me to predict enemy
losses
> within one ship during many naval combats.

Now you're talking, and your success at prediction persuades me far
more than your other arguments. I have fiddled with other formulae
based mre closely on the published army combat formula and come up
with good predictions sometimes and very bad predictions other times.
How many cases have you successfuly predicted? How much info did you
have about your opponents' relations toward you and morale? What
tactic vs. tactic modifiers did you use (that's another one not fully
spelled out in the rules, and which could be different for navies
than for armies)? How about spellcasting, where you can't be exactly
sure of the effect of a variable spell?

Mark

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--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Ovatha Easterling" <ovatha88@h...> wrote:

OK, Mark, What's your beleif?

My belief is that the naval combat algorithm cannot be deduced from
the rulebook. My efforts to deduce it by starting with the army
algorithm and backing out the elements the rulebook says are not
included (e.g. troop training, weapons and armor, troop terrain
modifiers, nation terrain modifiers) have not yielded consistently
reliable predictions.

For all I know you have found the holy grail of naval combat, but if
you have done so you have done it empirically and not by deduction.

I'd be more confident in your claims if you answered my questions
about the details.

Mark