Clint:
Yes, but being a computer illiterate I ask Scott to make the changes I need first.
Ed
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Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Sharing pdfs in pickup games
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:43:51 +0000
Who you calling English? 
Dw i'n Cymraeg....
As Brad said, you can do what you want - most players just share pdfs and a
report about what's happened in their turn. It's not compulsory but
generally gives you team the edge if you do share turns.
We give out the contact details but if you don't want to have them sent out
you can with-hold them. (Just tell us when you set-up). GSI didn't but
then there were lots of diplos back and fore finding out who was what. The
game has moved on. Less communication and co-ordination but due to the
nature of Email that's changed.
Ed, out of curiosity, do you share your pdf and XML?
Clint
Steve:
>Brad, of course, is correct. This flows from Harley (unlike GSI) providing
>everyone with their allies' names. You are forced to be good---just like
>Harley intends. Unlike GSI, which gave Free Choice in an amoral Real
>Politik. Does this make the game better? I think not. It is certainly
>less challenging. But it conforms to an English 'spirit-of-the-game'.
>Ed Mills
>
> >From: Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com>
> >Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Sharing pdfs in pickup games
> >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:34:29 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >In an independent game, one mostly hears:
> >
> >"This is how my turn went and this is what I'm doing."
> >
> >In a (good) Grudge game, one mostly hears:
> >
> >"This is how my turn went. What are we doing next?"
> >
> >So play your independent game to whatever drummer is playing in your head,
> >it's your money. Simply be aware that the vast majority of players DO
> >share files. Upon saying "I won't", understand that some will simply never
> >be satisfied with whatever reasons you give and will default to assuming
> >that your intentions are ill towards your teammates.
> >
> >The Team Game psyche is Orwellian - you have to fully disclose to prove you
> >aren't up to something, as opposed to "innocent until proven guilty".
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >Ovatha Easterling <ovatha88@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >RE: Sharing pdfs in 25 nation pickup games.
> >
> >Syeve:
> >You can do any damn thing you want. You are not required to move in
> >lockstep with anyone.
> >Ed Mills
> >
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I think that the game has developed and changed over the years. Is that
our doing? Yes to a certain extent but mostly in response to what players
want. It's clear to me that some players want a fresh challenge and the
only way that was ever going to occur was us running GSI. So we're in the
process of developing new modules (bought the Tolkien map book today - yum
I'd love to do a 1st Age game but that's for the future) and attempting to
respond to the market pressures.
Clearly the biggest change has been email and how that impacts on the
game. National styles are just that, individuals are where it counts and
how they play the game (and how we run it).
I enjoy lots of different styles of ME - we just had our team meet for our
Grudge game and ending up chatting about WW2 and the most decisive
battle/event (something for an off topic discussion maybe!). But also I
enjoy the solo game of Gunboat or playing a "dirty" Neutral and building
up. part of the appeal of the game is that you can play it in many
different ways.
I prefer constructive comments on how we can improve the game where it's
possible, but content to take the odd jibe (being alluded to being English
- well that's a bit difficult to deal with - maybe I'll go blow up some
holiday homes!) But I also try to have a sense of humour. I'm not sure
what you want altogether Ed, if it's a return to the "good old days" where
25% of players dropped GSI games over 4 years, or within 3 years 5
companies stopped running Middle Earth due to lack of money/energy I don't
think that would be a good place to go. If you want the old style of game
- I can't see how that's possible either, with email and communication and
energy levels for players the way it is. I personally don't agree with you
about the mapping program and program aids, but understand your hatred of
all things computer. So what could we do?
Clint
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Yes, but being a computer illiterate I ask Scott to make the changes I need
first.
Ed
>Who you calling English? Dw i'n Cymraeg....
>
>As Brad said, you can do what you want - most players just share pdfs and a
>report about what's happened in their turn. It's not compulsory but
>generally gives you team the edge if you do share turns.
>
>We give out the contact details but if you don't want to have them sent out
>you can with-hold them. (Just tell us when you set-up). GSI didn't but
>then there were lots of diplos back and fore finding out who was what. The
>game has moved on. Less communication and co-ordination but due to the
>nature of Email that's changed.
>
>Ed, out of curiosity, do you share your pdf and XML?
>
>Clint
>
>Steve:
> >Brad, of course, is correct. This flows from Harley (unlike GSI)
>providing
> >everyone with their allies' names. You are forced to be good---just like
> >Harley intends. Unlike GSI, which gave Free Choice in an amoral Real
> >Politik. Does this make the game better? I think not. It is certainly
> >less challenging. But it conforms to an English 'spirit-of-the-game'.
> >Ed Mills
> >
> > >From: Brad Brunet <bbrunec296@rogers.com>
> > >Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Sharing pdfs in pickup games
> > >Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:34:29 -0500 (EST)
> > >
> > >In an independent game, one mostly hears:
> > >
> > >"This is how my turn went and this is what I'm doing."
> > >
> > >In a (good) Grudge game, one mostly hears:
> > >
> > >"This is how my turn went. What are we doing next?"
> > >
> > >So play your independent game to whatever drummer is playing in your
>head,
> > >it's your money. Simply be aware that the vast majority of players DO
> > >share files. Upon saying "I won't", understand that some will simply
>never
> > >be satisfied with whatever reasons you give and will default to
>assuming
> > >that your intentions are ill towards your teammates.
> > >
> > >The Team Game psyche is Orwellian - you have to fully disclose to prove
>you
> > >aren't up to something, as opposed to "innocent until proven guilty".
> > >
> > >Brad
> > >
> > >Ovatha Easterling <ovatha88@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >RE: Sharing pdfs in 25 nation pickup games.
> > >
> > >Syeve:
> > >You can do any damn thing you want. You are not required to move in
> > >lockstep with anyone.
> > >Ed Mills
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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