Spells ???

I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years and I am
still coming across new and odd things.

I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the Reveal
Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that if you cast
the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre then the
hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case. Apparently
after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine if the
population centre is revealed.

Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is based on ?
Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?

David

Natural (i.e. unenhanced by arties) casting rank. Arties only enhance the first
"dice roll." (Well-framed question, by the way - you correctly understood the
issue and "x-factor" - not meaning to sound condescending or patronizing, but
rather complimentary - it's getting the _concept_ across that usually takes the
most effort when someone is unfamiliar w/ this somewhat "esoteric" point ... :).

Hth.

b

"Grrrr!!!! Snr." wrote:

···

I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years and I am
still coming across new and odd things.

I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the Reveal
Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that if you cast
the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre then the
hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case. Apparently
after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine if the
population centre is revealed.

Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is based on ?
Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?

David

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I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years and I am
still coming across new and odd things.

I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the Reveal
Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that if you

cast

the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre then the
hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case. Apparently
after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine if the
population centre is revealed.

Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is based on

?

Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?

David

RD: As I understand it, there's a die roll to see whether the mage succeeds
in casting the spell. This is based on his casting rank, so if a M70 mage
carries 30 points' worth of mage artifacts he is certain to succeed.

BUT the second roll, governing whether the spell itself succeeds, uses base
mage rank ONLY; therefore your M70 could fail to cast 434 which is a 'hard'
order.

Hope that helps.

Richard.

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It was my understanding all this time that the second roll
was based on natural mage rank, not on natural casting rank.

I never got any direct info from GSI on this, and I never
even thought to consider that it might be based on casting
rank. Sounds just as likely as my assumption.

Ben, is your assertion just a theory (like mine), or
are you basing it on empirical results, or do you have
more definite confirmation from GSI?

Jeremy

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Benjamin Shushan <bshushan@e...> wrote:

Natural (i.e. unenhanced by arties) casting rank. Arties only

enhance the first

"dice roll." (Well-framed question, by the way - you correctly

understood the

issue and "x-factor" - not meaning to sound condescending or

patronizing, but

rather complimentary - it's getting the _concept_ across that

usually takes the

most effort when someone is unfamiliar w/ this somewhat "esoteric"

point ... :).

Hth.

b

"Grrrr!!!! Snr." wrote:

> I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years

and I am

> still coming across new and odd things.
>
> I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the

Reveal

> Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that

if you cast

> the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre

then the

> hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case.

Apparently

> after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine

if the

> population centre is revealed.
>
> Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is

based on ?

···

> Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?
>
> David
>
>
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Jeremy:

My "rule of thumb" is based on "theory" (introduced by players who've been
around since the play-testing days) _and_ experience. 20+ castings that
I've been involved in (and taken note of), all within the last couple of
years ... Not enough data points for the "law of large numbers" to kick in,
but solid enough for me (it is, after all, "my" experience ... or that of
teammates in grudge games). I probably _could_ get 100+ results if I
scoured my .pdf collection, but my wife has theatened to turn her
self-reference as an "MEPBM Widow" from caustic wit into reality ... (that's
what I get for marrying a female lawyer ... :slight_smile:

The idea of asking GSI never crossed my mind (like they would tell :slight_smile: ...
then again, if you don't ask, you don't get ... if you do ask, do let me/us
know what they said ... :).

Hth.

b

JeremyRichman@compuserve.com wrote:

···

It was my understanding all this time that the second roll
was based on natural mage rank, not on natural casting rank.

I never got any direct info from GSI on this, and I never
even thought to consider that it might be based on casting
rank. Sounds just as likely as my assumption.

Ben, is your assertion just a theory (like mine), or
are you basing it on empirical results, or do you have
more definite confirmation from GSI?

Jeremy

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Benjamin Shushan <bshushan@e...> wrote:
> Natural (i.e. unenhanced by arties) casting rank. Arties only
enhance the first
> "dice roll." (Well-framed question, by the way - you correctly
understood the
> issue and "x-factor" - not meaning to sound condescending or
patronizing, but
> rather complimentary - it's getting the _concept_ across that
usually takes the
> most effort when someone is unfamiliar w/ this somewhat "esoteric"
point ... :).
>
> Hth.
>
> b
>
> "Grrrr!!!! Snr." wrote:
>
> > I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10 years
and I am
> > still coming across new and odd things.
> >
> > I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the
Reveal
> > Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says that
if you cast
> > the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population centre
then the
> > hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case.
Apparently
> > after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to determine
if the
> > population centre is revealed.
> >
> > Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll" is
based on ?
> > Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > Middle Earth PBM List - Middle Earth and Harlequin Games
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Hi Ben,

So, are you saying that the numbers you have collected
definitely support that the second roll is based on
casting rank, and provide counter-evidence against the
notion that the second roll is based on mage rank?

Jeremy

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Benjamin Shushan <bshushan@e...> wrote:

Jeremy:

My "rule of thumb" is based on "theory" (introduced by players

who've been

around since the play-testing days) _and_ experience. 20+ castings

that

I've been involved in (and taken note of), all within the last

couple of

years ... Not enough data points for the "law of large numbers" to

kick in,

but solid enough for me (it is, after all, "my" experience ... or

that of

teammates in grudge games). I probably _could_ get 100+ results if

I

scoured my .pdf collection, but my wife has theatened to turn her
self-reference as an "MEPBM Widow" from caustic wit into reality ...

(that's

what I get for marrying a female lawyer ... :slight_smile:

The idea of asking GSI never crossed my mind (like they would tell

:slight_smile: ...

then again, if you don't ask, you don't get ... if you do ask, do

let me/us

know what they said ... :).

Hth.

b

JeremyRichman@c... wrote:

> It was my understanding all this time that the second roll
> was based on natural mage rank, not on natural casting rank.
>
> I never got any direct info from GSI on this, and I never
> even thought to consider that it might be based on casting
> rank. Sounds just as likely as my assumption.
>
> Ben, is your assertion just a theory (like mine), or
> are you basing it on empirical results, or do you have
> more definite confirmation from GSI?
>
> Jeremy
>
> --- In mepbmlist@y..., Benjamin Shushan <bshushan@e...> wrote:
> > Natural (i.e. unenhanced by arties) casting rank. Arties only
> enhance the first
> > "dice roll." (Well-framed question, by the way - you correctly
> understood the
> > issue and "x-factor" - not meaning to sound condescending or
> patronizing, but
> > rather complimentary - it's getting the _concept_ across that
> usually takes the
> > most effort when someone is unfamiliar w/ this somewhat

"esoteric"

> point ... :).
> >
> > Hth.
> >
> > b
> >
> > "Grrrr!!!! Snr." wrote:
> >
> > > I have been playing Middle Earth, off and on, for nearly 10

years

> and I am
> > > still coming across new and odd things.
> > >
> > > I have just discovered that what the rule book says about the
> Reveal
> > > Population Centre spell (434) is not correct. The book says

that

> if you cast
> > > the spell whilst in the same hex as the hidden population

centre

> then the
> > > hiding enchantment is removed. However, this is not the case.
> Apparently
> > > after casting the spell there is another "dice roll" to

determine

> if the
> > > population centre is revealed.
> > >
> > > Do any of you seasoned mages know what this second "dice roll"

is

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> based on ?
> > > Mage Rank ? Casting Rank ? Dumb Luck ?
> > >
> > > David
> > >
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