This may draw flame from the British folks
but what the heck.
I am starting to feel a loss of richness in the
game due to the lack of Victory Certificates.
I don't mean the 2 turns they used to give
or the choice of position (or capital insurance
in FA), I can do without those just fine.
But I do feel they were great trophies to have
at the end of the game. I also liked getting
the information GSI sent out to everyone who
was in the game up to the 2nd to last turn
including the most number of kills and most
mithril and the highest rank achieved for each
class and the names of such characters, and
for each nations its victory points w/ and w/o
victory conditions. I also liked during the game
having the VC's as an extra thing to go for.
(I never betrayed anyone for any of them, I mean
going after a particular artifact or trading
an ally for a pc I needed.)
Without victory certificates, the victory conditions
we start are pointless in 1650 and 2950, and in FA
they are reduced in value to the game intelligence
they give us on artifact numbers and popcenter
names or locations.
In particular I miss certificates when I am
on the losing side! All I see now is a small
notice in a front sheet that the other side won.
I really liked getting a certificate and public
notice, that showed I finished 2nd or 3rd; it felt
much different from losses where I was simply
crushed. With that certificate I could at least
imagine (and anyone who saw the notice in GSI's
fanzine) that I had a negotiated surrender rather
than an unconditional one. In addition as a
soon-to-be defeated nation I might fight harder
just to deprive my favorite enemy of a certificate,
even if I had no chance to get one myself.
In one of my FA games out of sheer habit I retired
one of my characters early as it was a victory
condition of the ally I joined with. I won't
be doing that again -- what's the point?
Victory Certificates weren't perfect and were
not a reward to the "best" played position,
but they added an extra dimension to the game.
When they were actually worth money (free turns)
or game value (capital insurance or first choice
of nation) they might have been unfair, but
those benefits are gone. The Certificates
could be reinstated as trophies, and I would
like to see that happen, as they add to the
game's texture, they give it an extra dimension.
--
"The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning;
His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air,
And he that stays will die for naught, and home there's no returning."
The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair.--A.E. Housman
You get these - we send them - GWC's are on the cards - we are looking for
some nice artwork to use so that it can bemounted.
Clint
But I do feel they were great trophies to have
at the end of the game. I also liked getting
the information GSI sent out to everyone who
was in the game up to the 2nd to last turn
including the most number of kills and most
mithril and the highest rank achieved for each
class and the names of such characters, and
for each nations its victory points w/ and w/o
victory conditions. I also liked during the game
having the VC's as an extra thing to go for.
(I never betrayed anyone for any of them, I mean
going after a particular artifact or trading
an ally for a pc I needed.)
In particular I miss certificates when I am
on the losing side!
Well, presuming Clint was serious, I've been working on a design of a V.C. I
hope to have the pencils finished over the Easter Weekend, then give it to a
buddy for "tracing" -er- inking.
Jeff
This may draw flame from the British folks
but what the heck.
I am starting to feel a loss of richness in the
game due to the lack of Victory Certificates.
I don't mean the 2 turns they used to give
or the choice of position (or capital insurance
in FA), I can do without those just fine.
But I do feel they were great trophies to have
at the end of the game. I also liked getting
the information GSI sent out to everyone who
was in the game up to the 2nd to last turn
including the most number of kills and most
mithril and the highest rank achieved for each
class and the names of such characters, and
for each nations its victory points w/ and w/o
victory conditions. I also liked during the game
having the VC's as an extra thing to go for.
(I never betrayed anyone for any of them, I mean
going after a particular artifact or trading
an ally for a pc I needed.)
Without victory certificates, the victory conditions
we start are pointless in 1650 and 2950, and in FA
they are reduced in value to the game intelligence
they give us on artifact numbers and popcenter
names or locations.
In particular I miss certificates when I am
on the losing side! All I see now is a small
notice in a front sheet that the other side won.
I really liked getting a certificate and public
notice, that showed I finished 2nd or 3rd; it felt
much different from losses where I was simply
crushed. With that certificate I could at least
imagine (and anyone who saw the notice in GSI's
fanzine) that I had a negotiated surrender rather
than an unconditional one. In addition as a
soon-to-be defeated nation I might fight harder
just to deprive my favorite enemy of a certificate,
even if I had no chance to get one myself.
In one of my FA games out of sheer habit I retired
one of my characters early as it was a victory
condition of the ally I joined with. I won't
be doing that again -- what's the point?
Victory Certificates weren't perfect and were
not a reward to the "best" played position,
but they added an extra dimension to the game.
When they were actually worth money (free turns)
or game value (capital insurance or first choice
of nation) they might have been unfair, but
those benefits are gone. The Certificates
could be reinstated as trophies, and I would
like to see that happen, as they add to the
game's texture, they give it an extra dimension.
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:
> You get these - we send them - GWC's are on the cards - we are
looking for
> some nice artwork to use so that it can bemounted.
Aha! That would be great.
What about the game stats at the end -- could
you send those out?
> > In particular I miss certificates when I am
> > on the losing side!
>
> **** Um what were those?
Just regular ones. If the game ends, a nation
on the losing side could be in 2nd or 3rd place
and get a 2nd or 3rd place certificate.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <webguys@lakenet.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 PM
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
Well, presuming Clint was serious, I've been working on a design of a V.C.
I
hope to have the pencils finished over the Easter Weekend, then give it to
a
buddy for "tracing" -er- inking.
Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JeremyRichman@compuserve.com [mailto:JeremyRichman@compuserve.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:26 PM
> To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
>
>
> This may draw flame from the British folks
> but what the heck.
>
> I am starting to feel a loss of richness in the
> game due to the lack of Victory Certificates.
> I don't mean the 2 turns they used to give
> or the choice of position (or capital insurance
> in FA), I can do without those just fine.
>
> But I do feel they were great trophies to have
> at the end of the game. I also liked getting
> the information GSI sent out to everyone who
> was in the game up to the 2nd to last turn
> including the most number of kills and most
> mithril and the highest rank achieved for each
> class and the names of such characters, and
> for each nations its victory points w/ and w/o
> victory conditions. I also liked during the game
> having the VC's as an extra thing to go for.
> (I never betrayed anyone for any of them, I mean
> going after a particular artifact or trading
> an ally for a pc I needed.)
>
> Without victory certificates, the victory conditions
> we start are pointless in 1650 and 2950, and in FA
> they are reduced in value to the game intelligence
> they give us on artifact numbers and popcenter
> names or locations.
>
> In particular I miss certificates when I am
> on the losing side! All I see now is a small
> notice in a front sheet that the other side won.
> I really liked getting a certificate and public
> notice, that showed I finished 2nd or 3rd; it felt
> much different from losses where I was simply
> crushed. With that certificate I could at least
> imagine (and anyone who saw the notice in GSI's
> fanzine) that I had a negotiated surrender rather
> than an unconditional one. In addition as a
> soon-to-be defeated nation I might fight harder
> just to deprive my favorite enemy of a certificate,
> even if I had no chance to get one myself.
>
> In one of my FA games out of sheer habit I retired
> one of my characters early as it was a victory
> condition of the ally I joined with. I won't
> be doing that again -- what's the point?
>
> Victory Certificates weren't perfect and were
> not a reward to the "best" played position,
> but they added an extra dimension to the game.
> When they were actually worth money (free turns)
> or game value (capital insurance or first choice
> of nation) they might have been unfair, but
> those benefits are gone. The Certificates
> could be reinstated as trophies, and I would
> like to see that happen, as they add to the
> game's texture, they give it an extra dimension.
>
> Jeremy Richman
>
>
> Middle Earth PBM List - Middle Earth and Harlequin Games
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> Well, presuming Clint was serious, I've been working on a
design of a V.C.
I
> hope to have the pencils finished over the Easter Weekend, then
give it to
a
> buddy for "tracing" -er- inking.
> Jeff
>
> > From: JeremyRichman@compuserve.com
[mailto:JeremyRichman@compuserve.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:26 PM
> > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
> >
> >
> > This may draw flame from the British folks
> > but what the heck.
> >
> > I am starting to feel a loss of richness in the
> > game due to the lack of Victory Certificates.
> > I don't mean the 2 turns they used to give
> > or the choice of position (or capital insurance
> > in FA), I can do without those just fine.
> >
> > But I do feel they were great trophies to have
> > at the end of the game. I also liked getting
> > the information GSI sent out to everyone who
> > was in the game up to the 2nd to last turn
> > including the most number of kills and most
> > mithril and the highest rank achieved for each
> > class and the names of such characters, and
> > for each nations its victory points w/ and w/o
> > victory conditions. I also liked during the game
> > having the VC's as an extra thing to go for.
> > (I never betrayed anyone for any of them, I mean
> > going after a particular artifact or trading
> > an ally for a pc I needed.)
> >
> > Without victory certificates, the victory conditions
> > we start are pointless in 1650 and 2950, and in FA
> > they are reduced in value to the game intelligence
> > they give us on artifact numbers and popcenter
> > names or locations.
> >
> > In particular I miss certificates when I am
> > on the losing side! All I see now is a small
> > notice in a front sheet that the other side won.
> > I really liked getting a certificate and public
> > notice, that showed I finished 2nd or 3rd; it felt
> > much different from losses where I was simply
> > crushed. With that certificate I could at least
> > imagine (and anyone who saw the notice in GSI's
> > fanzine) that I had a negotiated surrender rather
> > than an unconditional one. In addition as a
> > soon-to-be defeated nation I might fight harder
> > just to deprive my favorite enemy of a certificate,
> > even if I had no chance to get one myself.
> >
> > In one of my FA games out of sheer habit I retired
> > one of my characters early as it was a victory
> > condition of the ally I joined with. I won't
> > be doing that again -- what's the point?
> >
> > Victory Certificates weren't perfect and were
> > not a reward to the "best" played position,
> > but they added an extra dimension to the game.
> > When they were actually worth money (free turns)
> > or game value (capital insurance or first choice
> > of nation) they might have been unfair, but
> > those benefits are gone. The Certificates
> > could be reinstated as trophies, and I would
> > like to see that happen, as they add to the
> > game's texture, they give it an extra dimension.
> >
> > Jeremy Richman
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
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CTF 2187 - Starquest - Crack of Doom
Battle of the Planets - Exile
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <webguys@lakenet.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
Do you mean 3 different certs? 1650, 2950, and 4th?
Thanks, Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Middle Earth PBM Games [mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:53 PM
> To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
>
>
> Cool? A multitude would be good though so that you can go for
> the different
> ones?
>
> Clint
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> Battle of the Planets - Exile
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff <webguys@lakenet.com>
> To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 PM
> Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
>
>
> > Well, presuming Clint was serious, I've been working on a
> design of a V.C.
> I
> > hope to have the pencils finished over the Easter Weekend, then
> give it to
> a
> > buddy for "tracing" -er- inking.
> > Jeff
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: JeremyRichman@compuserve.com
> [mailto:JeremyRichman@compuserve.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:26 PM
> > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
> > >
> > >
> > > This may draw flame from the British folks
> > > but what the heck.
> > >
> > > I am starting to feel a loss of richness in the
> > > game due to the lack of Victory Certificates.
> > > I don't mean the 2 turns they used to give
> > > or the choice of position (or capital insurance
> > > in FA), I can do without those just fine.
> > >
> > > But I do feel they were great trophies to have
> > > at the end of the game. I also liked getting
> > > the information GSI sent out to everyone who
> > > was in the game up to the 2nd to last turn
> > > including the most number of kills and most
> > > mithril and the highest rank achieved for each
> > > class and the names of such characters, and
> > > for each nations its victory points w/ and w/o
> > > victory conditions. I also liked during the game
> > > having the VC's as an extra thing to go for.
> > > (I never betrayed anyone for any of them, I mean
> > > going after a particular artifact or trading
> > > an ally for a pc I needed.)
> > >
> > > Without victory certificates, the victory conditions
> > > we start are pointless in 1650 and 2950, and in FA
> > > they are reduced in value to the game intelligence
> > > they give us on artifact numbers and popcenter
> > > names or locations.
> > >
> > > In particular I miss certificates when I am
> > > on the losing side! All I see now is a small
> > > notice in a front sheet that the other side won.
> > > I really liked getting a certificate and public
> > > notice, that showed I finished 2nd or 3rd; it felt
> > > much different from losses where I was simply
> > > crushed. With that certificate I could at least
> > > imagine (and anyone who saw the notice in GSI's
> > > fanzine) that I had a negotiated surrender rather
> > > than an unconditional one. In addition as a
> > > soon-to-be defeated nation I might fight harder
> > > just to deprive my favorite enemy of a certificate,
> > > even if I had no chance to get one myself.
> > >
> > > In one of my FA games out of sheer habit I retired
> > > one of my characters early as it was a victory
> > > condition of the ally I joined with. I won't
> > > be doing that again -- what's the point?
> > >
> > > Victory Certificates weren't perfect and were
> > > not a reward to the "best" played position,
> > > but they added an extra dimension to the game.
> > > When they were actually worth money (free turns)
> > > or game value (capital insurance or first choice
> > > of nation) they might have been unfair, but
> > > those benefits are gone. The Certificates
> > > could be reinstated as trophies, and I would
> > > like to see that happen, as they add to the
> > > game's texture, they give it an extra dimension.
> > >
> > > Jeremy Richman
> > >
> > >
> > > Middle Earth PBM List - Middle Earth and Harlequin Games
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>
AH! I see... I see...
(cuts down another tree to make more paper - sharpens pencil...)
···
-----Original Message-----
From: Middle Earth PBM Games [mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:37 PM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
No I was hoping to get a lot of them to collect. Good idea on
the different
scenario though.
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Battle of the Planets - Exile
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <webguys@lakenet.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:42 PM
Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
> Do you mean 3 different certs? 1650, 2950, and 4th?
> Thanks, Jeff
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Middle Earth PBM Games [mailto:me@MiddleEarthGames.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:53 PM
> > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
> >
> >
> > Cool? A multitude would be good though so that you can go for
> > the different
> > ones?
> >
> > Clint
> > ****************************************************************
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> > www.harlequingames.comwww.middleearthgames.com
> >
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> > Middle Earth - Legends - Serim Ral
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> > Battle of the Planets - Exile
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff <webguys@lakenet.com>
> > To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 8:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
> >
> >
> > > Well, presuming Clint was serious, I've been working on a
> > design of a V.C.
> > I
> > > hope to have the pencils finished over the Easter Weekend, then
> > give it to
> > a
> > > buddy for "tracing" -er- inking.
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: JeremyRichman@compuserve.com
> > [mailto:JeremyRichman@compuserve.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 12:26 PM
> > > > To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [mepbmlist] Sure do miss those Victory Certificates
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This may draw flame from the British folks
> > > > but what the heck.
> > > >
> > > > I am starting to feel a loss of richness in the
> > > > game due to the lack of Victory Certificates.
> > > > I don't mean the 2 turns they used to give
> > > > or the choice of position (or capital insurance
> > > > in FA), I can do without those just fine.
> > > >
> > > > But I do feel they were great trophies to have
> > > > at the end of the game. I also liked getting
> > > > the information GSI sent out to everyone who
> > > > was in the game up to the 2nd to last turn
> > > > including the most number of kills and most
> > > > mithril and the highest rank achieved for each
> > > > class and the names of such characters, and
> > > > for each nations its victory points w/ and w/o
> > > > victory conditions. I also liked during the game
> > > > having the VC's as an extra thing to go for.
> > > > (I never betrayed anyone for any of them, I mean
> > > > going after a particular artifact or trading
> > > > an ally for a pc I needed.)
> > > >
> > > > Without victory certificates, the victory conditions
> > > > we start are pointless in 1650 and 2950, and in FA
> > > > they are reduced in value to the game intelligence
> > > > they give us on artifact numbers and popcenter
> > > > names or locations.
> > > >
> > > > In particular I miss certificates when I am
> > > > on the losing side! All I see now is a small
> > > > notice in a front sheet that the other side won.
> > > > I really liked getting a certificate and public
> > > > notice, that showed I finished 2nd or 3rd; it felt
> > > > much different from losses where I was simply
> > > > crushed. With that certificate I could at least
> > > > imagine (and anyone who saw the notice in GSI's
> > > > fanzine) that I had a negotiated surrender rather
> > > > than an unconditional one. In addition as a
> > > > soon-to-be defeated nation I might fight harder
> > > > just to deprive my favorite enemy of a certificate,
> > > > even if I had no chance to get one myself.
> > > >
> > > > In one of my FA games out of sheer habit I retired
> > > > one of my characters early as it was a victory
> > > > condition of the ally I joined with. I won't
> > > > be doing that again -- what's the point?
> > > >
> > > > Victory Certificates weren't perfect and were
> > > > not a reward to the "best" played position,
> > > > but they added an extra dimension to the game.
> > > > When they were actually worth money (free turns)
> > > > or game value (capital insurance or first choice
> > > > of nation) they might have been unfair, but
> > > > those benefits are gone. The Certificates
> > > > could be reinstated as trophies, and I would
> > > > like to see that happen, as they add to the
> > > > game's texture, they give it an extra dimension.
> > > >
> > > > Jeremy Richman
> > > >
> > > >
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