I chart my loyalty changes each and every pop, each and every turn. from 40-60 INCLUSIVE the loyalty changes -1/0/+1 randomly. 59 or 60, tomayto tomahto.
In my own experience 60% seems to drop loyalties on a turn by turn
basis, while 59% is relatively stable. It could be coincidence (a
string of -1's), but camps just seem to disappear at 60%...
-Chesley
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, "Grey Squirrel"
<greysquirrel@b...> wrote:
> Thanks Andy, Really helpful
>
> > There's a common misconception that the loyalty break for higher
taxes
> > is 59%, but really you can raise taxes to 60% with a neutral
affect on
> > loyalty.
>
> I have been told this, and although I dont pay too close
attention, when I
> had 60% Tax Rate my Loyalties seemed a lot lower than when I had
59%. Its
> probably just a coincidence but I am one who likes to play safe
<grin>.
>
> Cheers
>
> Thomas
I chart my loyalty changes each and every pop, each and every turn.
from 40-60 INCLUSIVE the loyalty changes -1/0/+1 randomly. 59 or 60,
tomayto tomahto.
Do camps disappear at 15 or below 15? I ask because I've had camps at 16 one turn (60%taxes) that went away the next turn. I guess enemy emmy action is possible, but....
"Random drift" effect occurs, then "loyalty check" (which may result in
a pc w/ L=15 or lower degrading one level or disbanding).
So, sequence that explains your result (sorry I never clarified this
earlier, when you were in Training ):
1) Turn Start (from previous turn) L=16
2) Loyalty modifiers (cap relocation, captured pc, etc.) - INCLUDING
"Random Drift" - if no other effects, you can assume a "-1" result from
the -1/0/+1 "universe" of possible outcomes.
3) Loyalty "Check" (now w/ L=15) - leading to degradation (if camp,
disbands) (Note: this is not "always" - it's a chance-based outome, but
I don't know the percentages, if tax rate matters, etc.)
I chart my loyalty changes each and every pop, each and every turn.
from 40-60 INCLUSIVE the loyalty changes -1/0/+1 randomly. 59 or 60,
tomayto tomahto.
Do camps disappear at 15 or below 15? I ask because I've had camps at 16
one turn (60%taxes) that went away the next turn. I guess enemy emmy
action is possible, but....
jason
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At 15. Presumption, your 16 camp lost 1 and then got a crappy roll and
"poofed". Happens, seen it, suffered it. Meanwhile, an enemy camp, no
fortifications, in my homeland, has a 12 loyalty before my emissary
succussfully reduced it's loyalty to "rebellious", but didn't gain
possession...gold producing camp still in the hands of the enemy at
(presuming) under 10 loyalty now....just ain't fair...
brad
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Bennett" <jasonab@acm.org>
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Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Tax Rate Question
bbrunec296@rogers.com wrote:
> I chart my loyalty changes each and every pop, each and every turn.
> from 40-60 INCLUSIVE the loyalty changes -1/0/+1 randomly. 59 or 60,
> tomayto tomahto.
>
Do camps disappear at 15 or below 15? I ask because I've had camps at 16
one turn (60%taxes) that went away the next turn. I guess enemy emmy
action is possible, but....
But dont you say that ther is a char. Dos pops with chars on them degrate.
David
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----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Brunet
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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Tax Rate Question
At 15. Presumption, your 16 camp lost 1 and then got a crappy roll and
"poofed". Happens, seen it, suffered it. Meanwhile, an enemy camp, no
fortifications, in my homeland, has a 12 loyalty before my emissary
succussfully reduced it's loyalty to "rebellious", but didn't gain
possession...gold producing camp still in the hands of the enemy at
(presuming) under 10 loyalty now....just ain't fair...
brad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Bennett" <jasonab@acm.org>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Tax Rate Question
> bbrunec296@rogers.com wrote:
> > I chart my loyalty changes each and every pop, each and every turn.
> > from 40-60 INCLUSIVE the loyalty changes -1/0/+1 randomly. 59 or 60,
> > tomayto tomahto.
> >
>
> Do camps disappear at 15 or below 15? I ask because I've had camps at 16
> one turn (60%taxes) that went away the next turn. I guess enemy emmy
> action is possible, but....
>
> jason
>
>
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A pop will not degrade as long as there is a character
in it. Doesn't even matter what the characters skills
are.
JCC
--- David Clemmensen <david_clemmensen@post.tele.dk>
wrote:
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But dont you say that ther is a char. Dos pops with
chars on them degrate.
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Brad Brunet
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Tax Rate Question
At 15. Presumption, your 16 camp lost 1 and then
got a crappy roll and
"poofed". Happens, seen it, suffered it.
Meanwhile, an enemy camp, no
fortifications, in my homeland, has a 12 loyalty
before my emissary
succussfully reduced it's loyalty to "rebellious",
but didn't gain
possession...gold producing camp still in the
hands of the enemy at
(presuming) under 10 loyalty now....just ain't
fair...
brad
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason Bennett" <jasonab@acm.org>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Tax Rate Question
> bbrunec296@rogers.com wrote:
> > I chart my loyalty changes each and every pop,
each and every turn.
> > from 40-60 INCLUSIVE the loyalty changes
-1/0/+1 randomly. 59 or 60,
> > tomayto tomahto.
> >
>
> Do camps disappear at 15 or below 15? I ask
because I've had camps at 16
> one turn (60%taxes) that went away the next
turn. I guess enemy emmy
> action is possible, but....
>
> jason
>
>
> --
> Jason Bennett, jasonab@acm.org
> E pur si muove!
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