The Best Ever Middle Earth Play By Mail Top 100 Players!

FTR, R. Kevin Given is easily among the top 5 MEPBM players of all time (IMHO, of course).

Steve Muller, whom I consider a friend above and beyond MEPBM, is among the elite players of MEPBM, and deserves to be treated with respect (I don't think there was an intention to "dis" SM, but it happened, however backhanded or unintended). OTOH, _STEVE_ would be the first to tell you that Reverend Given is among the best, if not the best, MEPBM players of all time, and they've both been around since GSI was running games with no more than a digit or two in their numbers. SM would probably also tell you himself that, in any legitimate list of "the best players," if ranked, Kevin should be rated above him.

This simply goes to show that the list put out was flawed - but we knew that, based on the parameters of the list itself, as stated by the person who compiled it, and the limitations of available information.

To put another interesting spin on this discussion, one of the best players I've ever been associated with, Andrew Jones, _is_ among the very highest ranked players on "the list." So it's not complete tripe either.

It is, as I've already said, interesting data. Nothing more, nothing less.

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From: Drukarzun <drukarzun@yahoo.com>
Sent: Oct 7, 2005 7:33 PM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] The Best Ever Middle Earth Play By Mail Top 100 Players!

Darrell, I'm with you. All hail Kevin!!

Darrell Shimel <threeedgedsword35@yahoo.com> wrote:> What I have done here is taken the Player Rating

System scores

It still bogles my mind that ANYONE could use PRS and
"best players" in the same thought.

PRS measures how much you play. The people in the most
games score the highest. Proof is that Clint, who
plays for free, is overall #1.

Steve Muller above Kevin Given.... What a hoot! Any
measure that doesn't put Kevin in the top 5 all time
wasn't worth the time it took to put it together, even
if it only took 10 seconds of effort.

I've been playing 10 years, and Kevin is head and
shoulders above anyone else I've ever played for or
against. Yet he's lists 80-something? I can't
beleive I've wasted this much time responding to this...

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Quite interesting to see so many familiar names on that list.
There are a lot of solid folks there, and I've run with (or against)
quite a few and enjoyed it considerably. One of the things that I
think it misses - inevitably given the way it was constructed - is
that there are a lot of aspects of being good. Some folks excel at
tactics, others as team leaders/grand strategy. Having been around
the track a bit, I also notice that engagement plays a significant
factor. Some folks, when they're interested, are incredibly good -
then real life, or burnout, kicks in and they go through the motions.

cheers,

Marc

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Shushan <bshushan@e...>
wrote:

FTR, R. Kevin Given is easily among the top 5 MEPBM players of all

time (IMHO, of course).

Steve Muller, whom I consider a friend above and beyond MEPBM, is

among the elite players of MEPBM, and deserves to be treated with
respect (I don't think there was an intention to "dis" SM, but it
happened, however backhanded or unintended). OTOH, _STEVE_ would be
the first to tell you that Reverend Given is among the best, if not
the best, MEPBM players of all time, and they've both been around
since GSI was running games with no more than a digit or two in
their numbers. SM would probably also tell you himself that, in any
legitimate list of "the best players," if ranked, Kevin should be
rated above him.

This simply goes to show that the list put out was flawed - but we

knew that, based on the parameters of the list itself, as stated by
the person who compiled it, and the limitations of available
information.

To put another interesting spin on this discussion, one of the

best players I've ever been associated with, Andrew Jones, _is_
among the very highest ranked players on "the list." So it's not
complete tripe either.

It is, as I've already said, interesting data. Nothing more,

nothing less.

$2.00 from the USofA (inflation and currency fluctuation require

me to increase the stated value of my input :slight_smile: )

b (who loves 'ya, SM? :slight_smile: )

From: Drukarzun <drukarzun@y...>
Sent: Oct 7, 2005 7:33 PM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] The Best Ever Middle Earth Play By Mail

Top 100 Players!

Darrell, I'm with you. All hail Kevin!!

Darrell Shimel <threeedgedsword35@y...> wrote:> What I have done

here is taken the Player Rating

> System scores

It still bogles my mind that ANYONE could use PRS and
"best players" in the same thought.

PRS measures how much you play. The people in the most
games score the highest. Proof is that Clint, who
plays for free, is overall #1.

Steve Muller above Kevin Given.... What a hoot! Any
measure that doesn't put Kevin in the top 5 all time
wasn't worth the time it took to put it together, even
if it only took 10 seconds of effort.

I've been playing 10 years, and Kevin is head and
shoulders above anyone else I've ever played for or
against. Yet he's lists 80-something? I can't
beleive I've wasted this much time responding to this...

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Been out of the country ...

marc_pinsonneault wrote:

Quite interesting to see so many familiar names on that list.
There are a lot of solid folks there, and I've run with (or against)
quite a few and enjoyed it considerably. One of the things that I
think it misses - inevitably given the way it was constructed - is
that there are a lot of aspects of being good. Some folks excel at
tactics, others as team leaders/grand strategy. Having been around
the track a bit, I also notice that engagement plays a significant
factor. Some folks, when they're interested, are incredibly good -
then real life, or burnout, kicks in and they go through the motions.

Why don't you just name names? Like mine?? :slight_smile:

cheers,

Marc

b

--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Shushan <bshushan@e...>
wrote:

FTR, R. Kevin Given is easily among the top 5 MEPBM players of all
   

time (IMHO, of course).

Steve Muller, whom I consider a friend above and beyond MEPBM, is
   

among the elite players of MEPBM, and deserves to be treated with
respect (I don't think there was an intention to "dis" SM, but it
happened, however backhanded or unintended). OTOH, _STEVE_ would be
the first to tell you that Reverend Given is among the best, if not
the best, MEPBM players of all time, and they've both been around
since GSI was running games with no more than a digit or two in
their numbers. SM would probably also tell you himself that, in any
legitimate list of "the best players," if ranked, Kevin should be
rated above him.

This simply goes to show that the list put out was flawed - but we
   

knew that, based on the parameters of the list itself, as stated by
the person who compiled it, and the limitations of available
information.

To put another interesting spin on this discussion, one of the
   

best players I've ever been associated with, Andrew Jones, _is_
among the very highest ranked players on "the list." So it's not
complete tripe either.

It is, as I've already said, interesting data. Nothing more,
   

nothing less.

$2.00 from the USofA (inflation and currency fluctuation require
   

me to increase the stated value of my input :slight_smile: )

b (who loves 'ya, SM? :slight_smile: )

From: Drukarzun <drukarzun@y...>
Sent: Oct 7, 2005 7:33 PM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] The Best Ever Middle Earth Play By Mail
   

Top 100 Players!

Darrell, I'm with you. All hail Kevin!!

Darrell Shimel <threeedgedsword35@y...> wrote:> What I have done
   

here is taken the Player Rating

System scores
     

It still bogles my mind that ANYONE could use PRS and
"best players" in the same thought.

PRS measures how much you play. The people in the most
games score the highest. Proof is that Clint, who
plays for free, is overall #1.

Steve Muller above Kevin Given.... What a hoot! Any
measure that doesn't put Kevin in the top 5 all time
wasn't worth the time it took to put it together, even
if it only took 10 seconds of effort.

I've been playing 10 years, and Kevin is head and
shoulders above anyone else I've ever played for or
against. Yet he's lists 80-something? I can't
beleive I've wasted this much time responding to this...

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