The MEPBM Leaderboard

General
#1

Some of you may remember a couple of years ago when I used the PRS (player rating system) results to make a list of the “Best MEPBM players ever”.

Well its been a while so I thought I’d do it again. It has the same disclaimer as the last time, that this is not official and is probably not accurate. But if, like me, you find the PRS pages quite inaccessible and not a balanced picture, you might find this a bit of fun and maybe even a bit useful.

The Leaderboard combines nearly all the PRS ratings, with the exception of “Team ratings”. The 7 ratings it includes are 3 based on Victory Points, 3 based on Council of the Wise votes and 1 based on Win percentage. For each rating the base data is the table of 1st-104th taken from the MEPBM website pages. Ratings are all treated equally, no weightings, so while some may consider “Win percentage” much more important than “Best enemy player”, this Leaderboard does not.

This time I have allocated points for each rating in proportion to the rating scores, not table position. I gave 104 points to the person at the top of the table and 1 point for the person in 104th spot. Everyone in between got points proportionally based on the difference in their rating score to the 1st and 104th people (so everyone in the table got between 104 and 1 points). Then I totalled up the points to get the Leaderboard points. For fun I noted the people who appear on all 7 lists as “All-stars”.

All of it is on the attached Excel spreadsheet (zipped up because this forum doesn’t allow Excel attachments). For those of you who don’t like Victory Points there is a Leaderboard without any of the VP ratings. For those of you who don’t do the Council of the Wise there is a Leaderboard without that. For those of you who don’t like PRS at all I strongly recommend not looking at all.

Heres the main leaderboard in a simple list:

Position Player TOTAL All-Star?
1st CLINT OLDRIDGE 511 YES
2nd ERNEST HAKEY 460
3rd DAVID HOLT 363
4th ANDREW JONES 322 YES
5th JOHN SEALS 319
6th MATT ASHLEY 316 YES
7th MICHAEL WELSCH 311
8th JOHN BRIGGS 305
9th KIM ANDERSEN 291
10th DREW CARSON 275 YES
11th PERRY CARLSON 271
12th BRAD BRUNET 260
13th MIKE BARBER 257
14th DAVID RUZIC 252 YES
15th JOHN LAMULLE 248 YES
16th LAURENCE TILLEY 244 YES
17th SAM ROADS 244
18th MIKE SANKEY 239 YES
19th TONY ACKROYD 238 YES
20th CHRIS GUISE 234 YES
21st R KEVIN GIVEN 232 YES
22nd PAUL MORENO 218
23rd JAMES ADAMS 207
24th CLIF WEATHERFORD 199 YES
25th RANDALL BRADY 183
26th JAMES MCISAAC 181 YES
27th STEPHEN ALLEN 180
28th SCOTT MCKENNON 176
29th PAUL ROBERTS 174
30th STEVEN JOHNSTON 173
31st BETTINA WAGNER 172
32nd BRADFORD FISHER 172
33rd JASON MELE 171
34th MARCIN DYLEWSKI 169
35th FREDERICK YOUNG 164
36th TIM JONES 159
37th THOM BURNETT 158
38th ALAIN DEURWAERDER 157
39th IAN ETCHELLS 157
40th ALAN JEFFREY 156
41st BRIAN JURCZYK 156
42nd CHESLEY COUGHLIN 156
43rd ERIC LUNDAHL 149
44th MICHAEL KAMINE 148 YES
45th NICK BARNETT 145
46th STUART MILLIGAN 145
47th JOHN STAGOLL 144
48th RICHARD WILSON 143
49th JOHN SIMPSON 140
50th TIMOTHY HUIATT 138 YES
51st JASON VAFIADES 134
52nd PAUL BRANDON 134
53rd ANDERS STOCKMARR 133
54th DAVID CRANE 122
55th BRIAN MARTIN 121
56th JEFFREY HORNE 120
57th BRYN LLOYD 117
58th HANS-HERMANN BRAUCH 115
59th MICK JOHNCOCK 114
60th JAMES JOHNSTON 113
61st KEITH BOWEN 113
62nd JAMES CHRISTENSEN 112
63rd BRIAN PORTER 110
64th MIKE BATEMAN 110
65th JOHN GATES 106
66th PIERGIORGIO DELLA PORTA 105
67th ROBERT HINE 105
68th BERND LUEHRSEN 104
69th PETER KESSLER 104
70th MARK JEFFRIES 103
71st RICHARD MEHL 101
72nd WEB EWELL 100
73rd WADE FROST 97
74th JIM CARSON 96
75th JAMES HOWL 94
76th ERIK DUFFEY 93
77th JOSEPH WILLIAMS 92
78th DANIEL COSBY 91
79th MATT ANDERSON 91
80th TOM FRANCIS 91
81st RICHARD FARRER 90
82nd CHAD GILBERT 89
83rd TONY HUIATT 89
84th TIMOFEY DVOSKIN 87
85th ED LANE 86
86th GARY HOOD 83
87th JAVIER MAQUA 83 YES
88th JOHN TAYLOR 83
89th DAVID PEARSON 82
90th KYLE FORD 79
91st PANAYATOIS MERTIKOPOULOS 79
92nd MARK STUCKEY 78
93rd ULRIK BISGAARD 78
94th TOM WOESTMAN 75
95th JEFF GLOVER 73
96th THOMAS MACCABE III 72
97th BENJAMIN VAN BUSKIRK 64
98th ROBERT GLASS 63
99th TONY ZBARASCHUK 63
100th ANDY FARMER 62
101st CARSTEN BRAUCH 59
102nd IAN KOXVOLD 58
103rd MARIOS SKOUNAKIS 56
104th MARTIN PFENDTNER 56
105th RAY ULMAN 56
106th BRIAN MEDUS 54
107th JOSHUA SPINK 54
108th ANDREW SCHULTZ 53
109th CHARLES CROOKS 51
110th KENNETH WEED 49
111th CHRIS GEGGUS 47
112th GERHARD KILLE 46
113th JOHN WELTY 46
114th ALBERT YIU YING LAM 45
115th BRETT HAVLIK 42
116th DAMIAN NICHOLS 42
117th MICHAEL GOETZL 42
118th THILO RAMMHOLDT 42
119th JERRY LISTER 41
120th MYLENE REINERS 40
121st WILLIAM FRANKENHOFF 40
122nd GEORGE MARTINEZ 39
123rd DOUGLAS SCHOLZ 37
124th BEN SHUSHAN 36
125th STEVEN PRINDEVILLE 36
126th CHRIS LITTLEJOHN 35
127th JEFFERY DOBBERPUHL 35
128th MICHAEL DONOVAN 35
129th KEN SHANNON 34
130th MIKE GRUNDY 34
131st THOMAS LITTLETON 34
132nd MICHAEL ABSOLOM 33
133rd ANGUS ROCKETT 31
134th MARK ANTHONY 31
135th ADAM JANUSZEWSKI 30
136th STEPHEN PICKERING 30
137th SVERRE RUSTEN 28
138th JAMES GHIOTTO 27
139th CALEB HUDELSON 26
140th GREG DOERFLER 26
141st JON SHUSHAN 26
142nd JONATHAN STEER 26
143rd MARK MILLS 26
144th MICHAEL L. BELANCIO 26
145th TARA SILVA 26
146th WOLFGANG GEYER 26
147th DARRELL SWOAP 25
148th DAVID LOVETT 25
149th GAVIN KENNY 25
150th MATHIAS SCHROEDTER 25
151st IAN HARRIS 24
152nd DREW VAHRENKAMP 21
153rd TROY REIN 21
154th JERRY FAIR 20
155th MICHAEL WILSON 20
156th JASON ROBERTS 18
157th LYNN STILL 18
158th ROBERT SAPONAS 18
159th JEREMY FORD 16
160th KYLE CARUTHERS 16
161st ALEXANDER NAGEL 15
162nd PAUL WILCOX 15
163rd STEPHEN BACKHUS 14
164th DONALD CROUPAT 12
165th GREGORY BAIR 12
166th JAY FLETCH 12
167th ETHAN ROCKETT 11
168th QUINTON SANTINI 11
169th RENALDO WALKER 11
170th CHARLES BALTES 10
171st JUSTIN WALKER 10
172nd TILL PEINEMANN 10
173rd MILES FAGRIE 9
174th NICK SYMONS 9
175th RICHARD THOMAS 9
176th CHRISTOPHER MARLER 8
177th GORDON AITCHISON 7
178th ROMERRO WALKER 7
179th JORDI FAIREN 6
180th KARL-HEINZ KONRAD 6
181st PHILIP SWIDERSKI 6
182nd RONALD BILES 6
183rd ERIC OSBORNE 5
184th JOSHUA LOCKWOOD 5
185th PAUL SUTTON 5
186th RON ROBERTS 5
187th ALEX EVERARD 4
188th DURAND BROWN 4
189th GEIR OPHEIM 4
190th JAMES AMBERSON 4
191st SAUL RAVITCH 4
192nd ADRIAN BAKER 3
193rd JEREMY SCHELLPEPER 3
194th PASCUAL BASTERRA 3
195th DAVID HAGERSON 2
196th ROBERT VAUGHAN 2
197th BRIAN G SMITH 1
198th EDWARD MERRICK 1
199th ERIC TRZNADEL 1
200th JACOB PIPKIN 1
201st JASON E BERGMANN 1
202nd JEFF MUNOZ 1
203rd JEFFREY YOUNG 1
204th MATTHEW RILEY 1
205th MICHAEL CUMBERLAND 1
206th PAUL ROBERTSON 1
207th RICK GOETZ 1
208th RON GULLON 1
209th SAMUEL QUIER 1
210th STEFAN MAAS 1

#2

You’re kidding me !
210 players and I’m not on, how many players are there now ?

#3

Well, I do wish you luck with this thread… :wink:

I actually did something similar once before in the deep dark days, but then realized that without the complete information pile, the data is skewed. Get all the scores for all the players and you can apply your logarithm to it, anything less is an exercise in developing the logarithm, but not one worth applying it to, IMO.

But if the goal is “One List” than that’s admirable. Problem being, my list is different than your list which is different than their lists (the logarithm’s behind them, that is…) and I highly suspect NONE of us are satisfied with the logarithms behind the existing too-many lists… :wink:

#4

You’re not using the “Team Rating”?? and I made #22, and I’m primarily, a Grudge team player, so I would like to thank all the little people that made this happen, sob sob, and to the rest of you, nah nah nah nah nah, LOL

#5

On teams that have winning records that aren’t on the “Team” list. Another team of 4 years ago, a single game, is on there, with the wrong name. Obviously just a “pile” that gets tossed at on occasion but of very little real meaning.

#6

This was kinda “Stalkerish”, :eek: ,LOL

#7

Very accurate rating system. Any system where I am rated above my brother is obviously correct.

Well Done!!!

Tim Huiatt

#8

Gee, I haven’t lost a game since March 2004 and I’m off the List. Bummer----

#9

LOL – was gonna say that about me and some of the good friends I have made in this game :slight_smile: – I haven’t looked at the PRS system in a few years – guess gonna have to take a look – funny thing and I will admit it – I know of a couple of players that I know are better then me and am wondering how I am above them , that has me stumped :confused:

Mike

#10

Hey Mike, shhhhhhhhhhh, just bask in the glow for a while, before they find out, LOL

#11

Hell Mike I find the rating system Hilarous! becuase it’s not even close to correctly showing who is making an impact today… Like the expierence point one… Hell i’m not even on the List there either… how many Overated players do I have to trash before that rating goes to just a placement on the top 100… I think some more limited diplomacy games are in order for me… So of all these players there are How many ahead of me! LMAO… :smiley:

#12

This is just another example of the good ole boys running around pating each other on the back! The true Impact players are in the results of the games Win or lose! To those who are over confident now about my recent One week game debalces… Pack a lunch! 210 players ahead of me LMAO

#13

Hey, whatever happened to those emails that went out with all your PRS scores on it? I always loved finding out how far from the Istari leader board I was… :wink: Now, if you don’t appear on the website, you have no idea if you’re within 1 pt or 500… :frowning:

Brad

#14

Rating players?

Disputable in my eyes!

Really not my thingie!

Gixxx
(the one who’s not filling out the forms rating players)

#15

Tony

Is it possible to look at the last x number of games only? Or, the last x number of years only? This would take account of current “form” and would be a very good indicator of current performance and take account of any improvements over time (if you repeated the same exercise again). I think this would be a fairer system.

In the current system a loss a long time ago affects more the player who plays less games but has won recently a lot compared to a player who lossed a long time ago, plays a lot of games and has also won recently. Does that make sense?

I would suggest the last 6 games would be reasonable or the last 2/3 years…

Bryn

#16

You’d have to ask Clint that. We don’t even know who’s “active” amongst the 104 names on the PRS lists… Consider, the PRS started with “self reported” scores in the first place, instead of what should have been 1500 pts across the board and go at it… And, all “Active” players should be displayed. Need a proper player database where I can click on “Next 25” and keep reading through until I finally find myself down there…

Ideally, we’d have access to a table of players (Aliases if you prefer, other games run that way…) with various Columns of Data and/or Ratings. See basic attached Excel for an example (okay, printed as pdf to upload…). Clicking on the column heading would sort the entire database by that column. Pretty common stuff (anyone ever look at sports stats around here…??) even though I can appreciate costs of creating such from scratch…

#17

As mentioned the other times this came up, when we set-up the PRS we asked all players to tell us where and how they scored. (You’re win/loss ratio should tell you if we have your data. If we don’t get in touch with the data.)

When we have the conversion program sorted one thing we can much more easily deal with is the PRS and other data management jobs. If you want a more modern game I have to prioritise that conversion as other elements then come from that. Sorry guys, it’s been a bigger project that was originally estimated. If you want to help out with coding that would be great. Other feedback, as always welcome.

Clint (GM)

#18

Well, I see lots of folks below me that I think are similar or better players than me. As to Ernie and Clint - I’m always asking Ernie questions about Fourth Age. He’s a veritable wise old man of the mountain in that scenario - I love having him on my side; I only just played with Clint, and it was GB where he was thankfully on my side. But he certainly seems to win most of the time. So both of them can easily be rated above me.

So I guess I think I’m overrated in this analysis somehow. (I can hear the chorus of people in the background agreeing even now!) And besides, I’m not an “All Star”… :wink:

Dave

#19

This was my feeling to – as I think Bradford Fisher , Ben Shushan and definately Kevin Givens – THE REV (who i didn’t even see listed) are just a few of the players that I have no problem admitting are better then me !! But then again I realize that Clint and ME did this mainly for fun and bragging rights I guess :slight_smile: !!

Mike

#20

Kevin is listed 21st.

Teamates, notice we need to defer to Dave and Drew’s plans, as they are better than Kevin as I think the rating system is real accurate <G>.

Tim,

the younger Huiatt brother.