Something our fellow Americans from points south of the Rio Grande
really hate. They call us estadounidenses ("unitedstatesians"), not
americanos. Alas, it doesn't work in English.
Hey I'm Swedish! I can use it! 
Unitedstatesians it will be.
/Pontus
RD: What's wrong with North Americans? That covers people living
on the
continent of North America. It includes the USA and Canada and
excludes
South & Central America and the islands and hasn't upset anybody
(yet!).
North America extends from the Yukon to Panama, and arguably includes
the Caribbean islands, most of which are closer to NA than SA.
However Latin Americans, even Mexicans and Central Americans often
use "norteamericanos" when they mean, well, "estadounidenses."
Canadians are "canadienses" if they merit mention at all. Canadians
often talk about "North America," usually referring to the US and
Canada only. I think it makes them feel part of something big. People
from the United States never call themselves "North Americans."
Mexicans only do so in the context of the North American Free Trade
Agreement (which even Chile wants in on - go figure.) I hope this has
been helpful.
D'you guys still call us Limeys or have you got a new epithet?
"Limeys" is a word we recognize but rarely use any more. Only some
Irish Americans retain enough animus against Britain to have
pejorative terms, but such terms are probably unprintable. For the
rest of us Britain sank beneath our notice 50 years ago.
(With tongue firmly in cheek)
Mark
--- In mepbmlist@y..., historian683@c... wrote:
> RD: What's wrong with North Americans? That covers people living
on the
> continent of North America. It includes the USA and Canada and
excludes
> South & Central America and the islands and hasn't upset anybody
(yet!).
>North America extends from the Yukon to Panama, and arguably
includes
the Caribbean islands, most of which are closer to NA than SA.
However Latin Americans, even Mexicans and Central Americans often
use "norteamericanos" when they mean, well, "estadounidenses."
Canadians are "canadienses" if they merit mention at all. Canadians
often talk about "North America," usually referring to the US and
Canada only. I think it makes them feel part of something big.
People
from the United States never call themselves "North Americans."
Mexicans only do so in the context of the North American Free Trade
Agreement (which even Chile wants in on - go figure.) I hope this
has
been helpful.
> D'you guys still call us Limeys or have you got a new epithet?
"Limeys" is a word we recognize but rarely use any more. Only some
Irish Americans retain enough animus against Britain to have
pejorative terms, but such terms are probably unprintable. For the
rest of us Britain sank beneath our notice 50 years ago.(With tongue firmly in cheek)
Mark
If they merit mention at all?!!(ouch!)
It makes them feel part of something big?!!(arrrgh!!)
(sigh!) Oh well, at least he didn't insult the game of
hockey,because that would have been going too far! We would have had
to send down our 1000 man army complete with pointy sticks AND sling
shots!
Wayne(just another insignificant Canadian)
'Limeys' or 'Brits'. Neither one as an epithet, I think we decided y'all
were all right when you finally gave up the red coats. Boers must have been
more persuasive in that regard than we Colonials.
···
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard John Devereux <devereux@lineone.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Turns
D'you guys still call us Limeys or have you got a new epithet?
Richard.
>
Because there's a difference.
···
----- Original Message -----
From: dgarrett <gtgsmom@swbell.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Turns
I was just wondering about this thread. Why does everyone feel that a
person must be labeled as to their nationality? I am from South Texas
(note
the word from and NOT I am a TEXAN). I can't really grasp the need to
label
individuals.
Deni
Here goes the non-politically correct reason that we
call ourselves Americans.
Despite all our other continental neighbors, we were
the first American (north or south) colony (or
colonies) to be recognized as an independent nation.
Now I know what you will say - what about the Indians
(or more politically correct term, Native Americans)?
Well you have to put it in the context of the times.
It was the late eighteenth century and they didn't
count in the European mind, except as natives (unkind
in today�s terms, but true). Therefore, we called
ourselves Americans, because everyone else at the time
was either Mohawk tribe, Huron tribe, Spanish subject
(Florida, Mexico, etc.), Portuguese subject (Brazil),
French subject (Caribbean), English subject
(Canada,)... you get the idea. Until the Haitians (I
think) revolted or Simon Bolivar came along in South
America and started liberating everyone, nobody else
was independent (or else was a native). We therefore
(in the context of the times), could truly call
ourselves Americans. And the name stuck since then.
When the Iranians, Serbians, or _______ (fill in the
blank) demonstrate on TV and shout �Death to America�
everyone knows they aren�t referring to the Canadians
or Mexicans.
At least that is how I see it. All the people who get
offended about us calling ourselves Americans probably
would find some other reason to be upset with us. You
can't please everyone, so I will go on calling myself
an American. As for the term Yankee or Yank, the war
has been over a long time. The only reason that
Southerners don't like to be called Yankees (Yanks is
okay because it is the Brit term for Americans) is
because we know it pisses the Northerners off. They
want to know what is so wrong and why we are so
adamant about not being associated with them. Like I
said... we do it just to get their goat. Other than
that, they know that like them we count ourselves
proudly as Americans first.
Sorry, about the soapbox there.
Eric
···
--- historian683@cs.com wrote:
> RD: What's wrong with North Americans? That
covers people living
on the
> continent of North America. It includes the USA
and Canada and
excludes
> South & Central America and the islands and hasn't
upset anybody
(yet!).
>North America extends from the Yukon to Panama, and
arguably includes
the Caribbean islands, most of which are closer to
NA than SA.
However Latin Americans, even Mexicans and Central
Americans often
use "norteamericanos" when they mean, well,
"estadounidenses."
Canadians are "canadienses" if they merit mention at
all. Canadians
often talk about "North America," usually referring
to the US and
Canada only. I think it makes them feel part of
something big. People
from the United States never call themselves "North
Americans."
Mexicans only do so in the context of the North
American Free Trade
Agreement (which even Chile wants in on - go
figure.) I hope this has
been helpful.> D'you guys still call us Limeys or have you got a
new epithet?"Limeys" is a word we recognize but rarely use any
more. Only some
Irish Americans retain enough animus against Britain
to have
pejorative terms, but such terms are probably
unprintable. For the
rest of us Britain sank beneath our notice 50 years
ago.(With tongue firmly in cheek)
Mark
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Last turn in one of my games (FA-1000), I tried to
conjure 245 mounts and received a message I never saw before:
"She was ordered to cast a conjuring spell. Conjure Mounts was
cast. There were insufficient Mounts available to conjure. 220 Mounts
were conjured."
I never knew there was a limit, but I guess this effect parallels the
market to some degree. Be warned !!
Must be lots of nations running the rodeo circuit in that game 
Eric
Hey, check your mage rank first...
If the wiz guy has a 49 (or higher) rank than something is wrong, but that message leads me to
conclude you had a 44 mage, thats it
Will
···
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Blische" <eric@abs.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:12 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Hmmm ... per turn limit to conjurable food/mounts/hordes ?!
Last turn in one of my games (FA-1000), I tried to
conjure 245 mounts and received a message I never saw before:"She was ordered to cast a conjuring spell. Conjure Mounts was
cast. There were insufficient Mounts available to conjure. 220 Mounts
were conjured."I never knew there was a limit, but I guess this effect parallels the
market to some degree. Be warned !!Must be lots of nations running the rodeo circuit in that game
Eric
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Hey, you're quite right, by her rank, 220 is the most she could conjure that turn.
So I got as much as I could legally get; the phrasing of message led me to believe
there was some limit, not that I fudged the order ...
Bring back the lighthouse jokes!
Those who were complaining about that seem to be the ones trailing this list
down a right ol' rathole which has nothing to do with MEPBM...
Usual yank double standards.
Gavin
wra@idirect.com wrote:
RD: What's wrong with North Americans?
A question we've been trying to answer for years...
Gavin
Gavin...
Did you ever hear the one about...
okay, okay... I'll stop. I didn't realize that my meager attempt at
humor would turn into a lighthouse joke chain...
I was simply trying to introduce myself... in hind sight a "hello and
well met" would have been more appropriate.
See you in the game.
Chris
--- In mepbmlist@y..., Gavinwj <gavinwj@c...> wrote:
Bring back the lighthouse jokes!
Those who were complaining about that seem to be the ones trailing
this list
···
down a right ol' rathole which has nothing to do with MEPBM...
Usual yank double standards.
Gavin
Clint:
How many players total play MEPBM with your outfit?
How many players in the various scenarios?
FA 1000?
1650?
2950?
Also, how many active games are there for each scenario?
Not trying to dig into any proprietary information... just a curious
sort of fellow.
Respectfully,
Chris
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:
Well yes the DGE players did swell the number of turns run, but
also we have
a larg e influx of German players, and also of other players who
have
rejoined. Basically if you add the player base of the Harlequin
group and
the DGE group we still got around another 100-200 players...
Clint
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To: <mepbmlist@y...>
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:12 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Turns> Clint:
>
> Being somewhat of a new comer to the MEPBM environment, I
presume...
> (may I presume?!?) that the number of turns run this quarter
> increased from the previous quarter? If so, is this increase in
any
> way attributable to the influx of Yankees?
>
> If not, please forgive my brash and somewhat obnoxious
assumptions...
> I am after all an American <grin> - please note my sarcasm... I
too
> can appreciate a bit of self-deprecating humor
>
> Chris
>
> --- In mepbmlist@y..., Clint Oldridge <allsorts@c...> wrote:
> > Just thought you would be interested to know that this quarter
we
> run
> > around 6,000 turns of Middle Earth - cool uh. I am even hoping
to
> get paid
> > on time this month as well...
> >
> > Clint
>
>
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>
>
Thanks for the words of encouragement... just curious... which
scenario do you play?
I am currently in my first game... 2950 - playing the Dog Lord.
Enjoying it so far... at least now that it is Spring - too damn cold
in the Mordor mountains for my pups!
Chris
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Pontus Gustavsson" <pontus@g...> wrote:
That was very british Chris, with a slight touch of american mixed
in! Throw in some australian and you're always at home in this
list!
Some swedish is too much to ask for I guess...
So what would you prefer to be called in the US? You often refer to
yourselves as americans, so perhaps we shouldn't call ourselves
brits
(or english, or welsh, or scottish...) and swedes and danes, but
europeans. Yanks just doesn't sound right, and yankees is always
dangerous... Right Winn, you yankee? Even northern americans
doesn't
do, because of the canadians... US citizens..? I'm confused...
/Pontus
> Being somewhat of a new comer to the MEPBM environment, I
presume...
> (may I presume?!?) that the number of turns run this quarter
increased
> from the previous quarter? If so, is this increase in any way
> attributable to the influx of Yankees?
>
> If not, please forgive my brash and somewhat obnoxious
assumptions...
> I am after all an American <grin> - please note my sarcasm... I
too
> can appreciate a bit of self-deprecating humor
>
> Chris
>
> --- In mepbmlist@y..., Clint Oldridge <allsorts@c...> wrote:
> > Just thought you would be interested to know that this quarter
we
> run
> > around 6,000 turns of Middle Earth - cool uh. I am even hoping
to
> get paid
> > on time this month as well...
> >
> > Clint
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> RD: What's wrong with North Americans? That covers people living
on the
> continent of North America. It includes the USA and Canada and
excludes
> South & Central America and the islands and hasn't upset anybody
(yet!).
>North America extends from the Yukon to Panama, and arguably includes
the Caribbean islands, most of which are closer to NA than SA.
However Latin Americans, even Mexicans and Central Americans often
use "norteamericanos" when they mean, well, "estadounidenses."
Canadians are "canadienses" if they merit mention at all. Canadians
often talk about "North America," usually referring to the US and
Canada only. I think it makes them feel part of something big. People
from the United States never call themselves "North Americans."
Mexicans only do so in the context of the North American Free Trade
Agreement (which even Chile wants in on - go figure.) I hope this has
been helpful.
RD: No it hasn't. If NA covers as far south as Panama, where the hell is
Central America? Brazil?
C'mon man, we all know you guys want to rule the world, but GEOGRAPHICALLY
speaking, NA stops at the southern border of the USA and CA starts there.
The Caribbean islands are a separate geographical entity and I don't hear
any Caribbeans calling themselves American.
You guys in the USA and Canada are North Americans (and the only North
Americans) until you can come up with a better description. I know North
American is cumbersome. What about:
USACans?
AmCans?
NAms? Oops, no, Nam has uncomfortable memories for the USA.
CanUS? Nah, the Yanks, sorry I mean US people, would never allow Canada
precedence.
Any better ideas?
Richard.
···
----- Original Message -----
From: <historian683@cs.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 1:25 AM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Turns
> D'you guys still call us Limeys or have you got a new epithet?
"Limeys" is a word we recognize but rarely use any more. Only some
Irish Americans retain enough animus against Britain to have
pejorative terms, but such terms are probably unprintable. For the
rest of us Britain sank beneath our notice 50 years ago.(With tongue firmly in cheek)
Mark
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'Limeys' or 'Brits'. Neither one as an epithet, I think we decided y'all
were all right when you finally gave up the red coats. Boers must have
been
more persuasive in that regard than we Colonials.
RD: Actually, our military first gave up their red coats, in favour of
khaki, in India, when fighting the Afghans. The length of time it took us
Brits to beat the Boers was due to two factors:
1) In all our most glorious battles, we were heavily outnumbered: Crecy,
Poitiers, Agincourt, Plassey, Trafalgar, Waterloo etc. We were confused
when fighting the Boers because for once we actually had a numerical
advantage!
2) We were also upset, during the Boer Wars, by being cast in the role of
the international bully. This was very upsetting for Brits who had always
pictured their nation as the champion of individual freedoms, so,
pugnaciously, we determined to finish the unpleasant business asap, by
calling in Canadian, ANZAC and Indian troops and for once in our history,
using overwhelming numbers to win a war. It was still a long and messy
business but it did stand us in good stead in WWI.
Richard.
···
----- Original Message -----
From: "G. W. Tallen" <btallen@worldnet.att.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Turns
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard John Devereux <devereux@lineone.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Turns> D'you guys still call us Limeys or have you got a new epithet?
>
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Wow never seen that one myself
Clint
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----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Blische <eric@abs.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Hmmm ... per turn limit to conjurable
food/mounts/hordes ?!
Last turn in one of my games (FA-1000), I tried to
conjure 245 mounts and received a message I never saw before:"She was ordered to cast a conjuring spell. Conjure Mounts was
cast. There were insufficient Mounts available to conjure. 220 Mounts
were conjured."I never knew there was a limit, but I guess this effect parallels the
market to some degree. Be warned !!Must be lots of nations running the rodeo circuit in that game
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We're generally open type of guys.
How many players total play MEPBM with your outfit?
*** 1,000? Near enough
How many players in the various scenarios?
See above
FA 1000?
1/3
1650?
The rest
2950?
1/4
Also, how many active games are there for each scenario?
70 total split as above 2950 games last longest, 1000 shortest on average
···
Not trying to dig into any proprietary information... just a curious
sort of fellow.Respectfully,
Chris
--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:
> Well yes the DGE players did swell the number of turns run, but
also we have
> a larg e influx of German players, and also of other players who
have
> rejoined. Basically if you add the player base of the Harlequin
group and
> the DGE group we still got around another 100-200 players...
>
> Clint
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> From: Christopher <montgomery9535@y...>
> To: <mepbmlist@y...>
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:12 AM
> Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Turns
>
>
> > Clint:
> >
> > Being somewhat of a new comer to the MEPBM environment, I
presume...
> > (may I presume?!?) that the number of turns run this quarter
> > increased from the previous quarter? If so, is this increase in
any
> > way attributable to the influx of Yankees?
> >
> > If not, please forgive my brash and somewhat obnoxious
assumptions...
> > I am after all an American <grin> - please note my sarcasm... I
too
> > can appreciate a bit of self-deprecating humor
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- In mepbmlist@y..., Clint Oldridge <allsorts@c...> wrote:
> > > Just thought you would be interested to know that this quarter
we
> > run
> > > around 6,000 turns of Middle Earth - cool uh. I am even hoping
to
> > get paid
> > > on time this month as well...
> > >
> > > Clint
> >
> >
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wrote: > Wow never seen that one myself
someone else answered it, but in case you missed it
....
The numbers of mounts you call up is based on your
mage rank. You can ask for 245 (rank of 49), but you
only got 220 since you mage wasn't good enough (rank
of 44).
When I do my orders, I overwrite my orders from the
last turn. So I like to 710 and summon 500 horses (but
I only get 5 times their mage rank, not the full 500).
It means my mages go on auto control, and I never have
to change their orders unless the situation changes.
For someone as lazy as me, that's pretty good
thanks
din
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From: Eric Blische <eric@abs.net>
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Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Hmmm ... per turn limit to
conjurable
food/mounts/hordes ?!> Last turn in one of my games (FA-1000), I tried to
> conjure 245 mounts and received a message I never
saw before:
>
> "She was ordered to cast a conjuring spell.
Conjure Mounts was
> cast. There were insufficient Mounts available to
conjure. 220 Mounts
> were conjured."
>
> I never knew there was a limit, but I guess this
effect parallels the
> market to some degree. Be warned !!
>
> Must be lots of nations running the rodeo circuit
in that game
>
> Eric
>
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RD: Actually, our military first gave up their red coats, in favour of
khaki, in India, when fighting the Afghans. The length of time it took us
Brits to beat the Boers was due to two factors:
1) In all our most glorious battles, we were heavily outnumbered: Crecy,
Poitiers, Agincourt, Plassey, Trafalgar, Waterloo etc. We were confused
when fighting the Boers because for once we actually had a numerical
advantage!
2) We were also upset, during the Boer Wars, by being cast in the role of
the international bully. This was very upsetting for Brits who had always
pictured their nation as the champion of individual freedoms, so,
pugnaciously, we determined to finish the unpleasant business asap, by
calling in Canadian, ANZAC and Indian troops and for once in our history,
using overwhelming numbers to win a war. It was still a long and messy
business but it did stand us in good stead in WWI.Richard.