World Champs Status

Okay for those still awake...

US team beat the UK team return match
US team presently playing UK team return match
Scandanavian team and German team drew - winning draw to Scandanavians (11
active vs 7).
Aussie team beat the Botr team (UK II)
Aussie team presently winning vs the Botr team return match
US II starting vs German team very soon

This leaves the Scandanavian team looking for opposition - any takers?

Thanks

Clint

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Okay for those still awake...

US team beat the UK team return match
US team presently playing UK team return match
Scandanavian team and German team drew - winning draw to Scandanavians (11
active vs 7).
Aussie team beat the Botr team (UK II)
Aussie team presently winning vs the Botr team return match
US II starting vs German team very soon

This leaves the Scandanavian team looking for opposition - any takers?

Thanks

Clint

RD: I just want to say, I am bitterly disappointed with the performance of
the Brit team(s). We are not as bad as these stats show. The game I was in
included one guy who'd stopped playing ME but was dragged back in and his
reluctance showed. That wasn't the only reason we lost but it sure as hell
didn't help.

The yanks have been playing ME a lot longer than the rest of the world, so
they have the advantage of the most collective experience. That means that
anybody who plays them in a competitive game needs players who are not only
experienced but have the DESIRE to WIN.

Are there any Brit players out there who have these qualities? Maybe it's a
national trait that we don't play to win, we play for fun. We invent games
like football (soccer to the rest of the world), rugby, cricket etc. The
countries we teach these games to, push the rules to the logical limits and
BEAT us! They don't understand that the object of a game is not to win, it
is to have fun!

If there are any Brits out there for whom having fun is NOT enough, who
really WANT to show that they are as good if not better than the rest of the
world, let's hear from you!

Don't expect a second clarion call - if this doesn't rouse you to volunteer
for a serious challenge, carry on playing for fun - and losing against the
serious players.

Richard.

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Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:45 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] World Champs Status

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--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:

Okay for those still awake...

This leaves the Scandanavian team looking for opposition - any
takers?

Ohh, there is a Scandinavian World champs team? Who do I contact about
it? :slight_smile:

Øystein

Yes - Brian Engsig. Note on a recount we checked the last turn status tally
sheet. 11 players for the Scandanavians, 5 (2 dead on the LAST turn). So
greater than 2-1 active players means the Scandanavians pull off a last turn
win.

(Note if only one of the last players had died on the German team then it
would have been 11-6 and a winnind draw would be the best thing the Scan.
would have had).

Clint

Okay for those still awake...

This leaves the Scandanavian team looking for opposition - any
takers?

Ohh, there is a Scandinavian World champs team? Who do I contact about
it? :slight_smile:

�ystein

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Hear your call - agree with it 110%.

Whilst my motivation to win is high (a few friends might say too high) I'm
afraid I lack the experience to answer your call, having only found ME 3
months ago. Consider me in the training camp, earning my spurs and awaiting
the call to the first team.

Simon

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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard John Devereux <devereux@lineone.net>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] World Champs Status

----- Original Message -----
From: "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@MiddleEarthGames.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:45 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] World Champs Status

> Okay for those still awake...
>
> US team beat the UK team return match
> US team presently playing UK team return match
> Scandanavian team and German team drew - winning draw to Scandanavians

(11

> active vs 7).
> Aussie team beat the Botr team (UK II)
> Aussie team presently winning vs the Botr team return match
> US II starting vs German team very soon
>
> This leaves the Scandanavian team looking for opposition - any takers?
>
> Thanks
>
> Clint

RD: I just want to say, I am bitterly disappointed with the performance of
the Brit team(s). We are not as bad as these stats show. The game I was

in

included one guy who'd stopped playing ME but was dragged back in and his
reluctance showed. That wasn't the only reason we lost but it sure as

hell

didn't help.

The yanks have been playing ME a lot longer than the rest of the world, so
they have the advantage of the most collective experience. That means

that

anybody who plays them in a competitive game needs players who are not

only

experienced but have the DESIRE to WIN.

Are there any Brit players out there who have these qualities? Maybe it's

a

national trait that we don't play to win, we play for fun. We invent

games

like football (soccer to the rest of the world), rugby, cricket etc. The
countries we teach these games to, push the rules to the logical limits

and

BEAT us! They don't understand that the object of a game is not to win,

it

is to have fun!

If there are any Brits out there for whom having fun is NOT enough, who
really WANT to show that they are as good if not better than the rest of

the

world, let's hear from you!

Don't expect a second clarion call - if this doesn't rouse you to

volunteer

for a serious challenge, carry on playing for fun - and losing against the
serious players.

Richard.
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RD: I just want to say, I am bitterly disappointed with the

performance of

the Brit team(s). We are not as bad as these stats show. The game

I was in

included one guy who'd stopped playing ME but was dragged back in

and his

reluctance showed. That wasn't the only reason we lost but it sure

as hell

didn't help.

The yanks have been playing ME a lot longer than the rest of the

world, so

they have the advantage of the most collective experience. That

means that

anybody who plays them in a competitive game needs players who are

not only

experienced but have the DESIRE to WIN.

Are there any Brit players out there who have these qualities?

Maybe it's a

national trait that we don't play to win, we play for fun. We

invent games

like football (soccer to the rest of the world), rugby, cricket

etc. The

countries we teach these games to, push the rules to the logical

limits and

BEAT us! They don't understand that the object of a game is not to

win, it

is to have fun!

If there are any Brits out there for whom having fun is NOT enough,

who

really WANT to show that they are as good if not better than the

rest of the

world, let's hear from you!

Don't expect a second clarion call - if this doesn't rouse you to

volunteer

for a serious challenge, carry on playing for fun - and losing

against the

serious players.

Richard.

   Wow, that is one thing I would not want to brag about. Inventing
a game and then losing to your students. Yeah the invention of
soccer, one of the few games in the world that can go on for hours
without anyone scoring, so enjoyable to watch, yawn wake me up when
the coffee and chickory is done brewing. Yes that is right coffee
and chickory, I am a yank, and from what this side of the so
called "pond" thinks-- Why do something if you are not going to do it
right? I have not been playing Mepbm for such a seriously long
period of time that I could be considered a grizzled vet, but I have
noticed that the teaching circles of our Euroean counterparts suck.
Where do you guys learn teamplay from, watching WWI movies?!?! You
are supposed to show and teach your teammates that LI suck no matter
what terrain they are in, that M@arms are not worth the ink on the
PDf file printed up. And that building a nation does include
offensive military action within the first 10 turns of the game. I
have noticed that many new European players have never been given the
time of day by their teammates showing them the mistakes of reading
the rulebook as though it was the bible. Come on, RD, making
comments like I only play the game for fun is the same as saying "I
like getting kicked in the testicles repeatedly throughout the day
because it is fun" NO one plays to lose, they play to "WIN" or at
least make an attempt at it and try to have fun in the process. Why
do something if you know there is no hope at winning. This is not
real life where you have to do something whether you like it or not,
whether it is fun or not, whether you have a prayer of winning or
not. This is a game, yes you can have fun, but you shouldn't be play
or pay to play, just to have someone kick you in the Testicles
repeatedly. You should at least make an attempt to kick him or her
back and therefore show that you can be a competant palyer also and
still have some fun.

Brian,
Winning is just as much fun as losing and sometimes better.

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>
>
>

> RD: I just want to say, I am bitterly disappointed with the
performance of
> the Brit team(s). We are not as bad as these stats show. The game
I was in
> included one guy who'd stopped playing ME but was dragged back in
and his
> reluctance showed. That wasn't the only reason we lost but it sure
as hell
> didn't help.
>
> The yanks have been playing ME a lot longer than the rest of the
world, so
> they have the advantage of the most collective experience. That
means that
> anybody who plays them in a competitive game needs players who are
not only
> experienced but have the DESIRE to WIN.
>
> Are there any Brit players out there who have these qualities?
Maybe it's a
> national trait that we don't play to win, we play for fun. We
invent games
> like football (soccer to the rest of the world), rugby, cricket
etc. The
> countries we teach these games to, push the rules to the logical
limits and
> BEAT us! They don't understand that the object of a game is not to
win, it
> is to have fun!
>
> If there are any Brits out there for whom having fun is NOT enough,
who
> really WANT to show that they are as good if not better than the
rest of the
> world, let's hear from you!
>
> Don't expect a second clarion call - if this doesn't rouse you to
volunteer
> for a serious challenge, carry on playing for fun - and losing
against the
> serious players.
>
> Richard.

   Wow, that is one thing I would not want to brag about. Inventing
a game and then losing to your students. Yeah the invention of
soccer, one of the few games in the world that can go on for hours
without anyone scoring, so enjoyable to watch, yawn wake me up when
the coffee and chickory is done brewing. Yes that is right coffee
and chickory, I am a yank, and from what this side of the so
called "pond" thinks-- Why do something if you are not going to do it
right? I have not been playing Mepbm for such a seriously long
period of time that I could be considered a grizzled vet, but I have
noticed that the teaching circles of our Euroean counterparts suck.
Where do you guys learn teamplay from, watching WWI movies?!?! You
are supposed to show and teach your teammates that LI suck no matter
what terrain they are in, that M@arms are not worth the ink on the
PDf file printed up. And that building a nation does include
offensive military action within the first 10 turns of the game. I
have noticed that many new European players have never been given the
time of day by their teammates showing them the mistakes of reading
the rulebook as though it was the bible. Come on, RD, making
comments like I only play the game for fun is the same as saying "I
like getting kicked in the testicles repeatedly throughout the day
because it is fun" NO one plays to lose, they play to "WIN" or at
least make an attempt at it and try to have fun in the process. Why
do something if you know there is no hope at winning. This is not
real life where you have to do something whether you like it or not,
whether it is fun or not, whether you have a prayer of winning or
not. This is a game, yes you can have fun, but you shouldn't be play
or pay to play, just to have someone kick you in the Testicles
repeatedly. You should at least make an attempt to kick him or her
back and therefore show that you can be a competant palyer also and
still have some fun.

Brian,
Winning is just as much fun as losing and sometimes better.

RD: I agree with you 100%. I wasn't supporting the idea of playing to lose,
I was trying to wind up my countrymen. We DO have some very experienced and
competent players and I just wonder why we haven't put the cream of these
into the national team.

Richard.

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Note my experience of the UK1 team (note here is another of the
would-not-know-if-only-GM type knowledges as Sam repeatedly hitting his head
against the wall after each turn) is quite amusing. Give him the turn,
wait for five minutes, wait for expletives, wait for angry typing on
keyboad - you get the idea!... :slight_smile: The UK1 team has a number of
individually excellent players but they appear to be unable to bury their
differences on strategy in order to get a good TEAM together. UK2 just seem
to be not winning for some reason.

PS: Sam plays on the UK1 team - he's not a Middle Earth GM

Clint

RD: I agree with you 100%. I wasn't supporting the idea of playing to

lose,

I was trying to wind up my countrymen. We DO have some very experienced

and

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competent players and I just wonder why we haven't put the cream of these
into the national team.