I have not been following this thread closely (vacation). Is this going to create a file that Harley would not have to do order entry with? Just load and go?
One thing I would like to see is that any orders that are in error be returned before the day of the turn so they don't hold up the game. I realize that this is not possible if the turns are not submitted early, but appreciate the chance to correct the orders so I don't screw up. ( I can screw up with correct orders, don't need the incorrect orders to add to my ineptitude)
I have not been following this thread closely
(vacation). Is this going to create a file that
Harley would not have to do order entry with? Just
load and go?
One thing I would like to see is that any orders
that are in error be returned before the day of the
turn so they don't hold up the game. I realize that
this is not possible if the turns are not submitted
early, but appreciate the chance to correct the
orders so I don't screw up. ( I can screw up with
correct orders, don't need the incorrect orders to
add to my ineptitude)
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Why can't the order sheet be done via the web?
There are lots of technologies that can do field
validation in a web interface.
Finesse's the problem with Macs since the web doesn't
care what the client machine is.
Joseph
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Why can't the order sheet be done via the web?
There are lots of technologies that can do field
validation in a web interface.
Finesse's the problem with Macs since the web doesn't
care what the client machine is.
Couldn't agree more. However, Clint seems set on using Delphi, whatever that
is. He didn't exactly go my Perl idea, did he now...
Delpi is a RAD (Rapid Application Development) platform for Winbloz using
an elevated version of Pascal. I can't knock is since I love Pascal and
Delphi was pretty nice when I worked with it. Delphi is WAY better than
Visual Basic but sadly still makes vanilla GUI last version I looked at (v5).
Of course, it's usually not much of a problem since we know Winbloz has
zero input (ie Standards) on GUI style like Mac does... which leads to a
corresponding wacky layout or bland, subdued look for most programs. Or
at worst some kind of really bad layout (eech... look at the Legends LPE!).
But while I've seen wonders done with Perl (and it's free) I can
understand them wanting to go the way of a RAD. Just C++ would be easier
to port if this is the case. Maybe something like Codewarrior would be
good since you could take care of all platforms (even PALM!) in one shot!
I'd love to tinker with a MEPBM on my Palm. But I digress.
Why can't the order sheet be done via the web?
There are lots of technologies that can do field
validation in a web interface.
Finesse's the problem with Macs since the web doesn't
care what the client machine is.
Put a top of the line Mac against a PC and watch your PCs bay doors fly
open and smoke.
Finesse isn't the problem, it's Micro$tanks attitude of not being
compatible with the rest of the world. Unix and Macs are compatible (new
Mac OS is even based on FreeBSD version of Unix). An excellent example is
the WMF file format they use against MP3.
Well, enjoy when you get the new OS next month. It requires you to
register or no go. And if you change your hardware much you get to *call*
them and reregister again. And they WILL track your personal info too.
Enjoy... MS users.
To return to the arguement. If things come to it as they seem to... Clint
could you make sure the "data file" to be included could be in a pure
text form so that mac users could make something of their own if so
motivated. In legends, the LPE codes it in a MS format from what little I
looked at it.
Well, I think I've discovered a Clint weakness. Seems he has some love of
the Amiga since he's the only person he keeps talking about it. Well,
when we mention "compatibility" we can only assume it extends to
supported and growing OSes. But hey, Amiga did some fine things in it's
time or so I've heard. Never really saw one but therein lies it's problem, eh?
We already inform players when an error comes through if there is time.
Unfortunately and 860 e,e,e, is not error checkable.
One thing I would like to see is that any orders that are in error be
returned before the day of the turn so they don't hold up the game. I
realize that this is not possible if the turns are not submitted early, but
appreciate the chance to correct the orders so I don't screw up. ( I can
screw up with correct orders, don't need the incorrect orders to add to my
ineptitude)
But while I've seen wonders done with Perl (and it's free) I can
understand them wanting to go the way of a RAD. Just C++ would be easier
to port if this is the case. Maybe something like Codewarrior would be
good since you could take care of all platforms (even PALM!) in one shot!
Ah but, Perl is the processing end, hidden from the user and cross-platform.
It's the bees knees for manipulating and verifying text input. That's why
it's used for so many commercial websites. The front end for such
applications is in HTML, generated by the Perl script, and is therefore
pretty much platform independent. No porting required.
I don't write Perl. I've just seen what it can do and how easy it was to do
it.
Put a top of the line Mac against a PC and watch your PCs bay doors fly
open and smoke.
Ever watch the MacWorld head-to-head speed trials? They're funny, unless
you're a PCweeny...
This year's keynote included a really good explanation of the "megahertz
myth" which, if watched by PC users, would put to rest a few of the less
favourable anti-Mac comments out there. Apple uses the 867Mhz chip more
efficiently than PC makers use a 1.5Ghz chip, which means the former is
faster than the latter by a fair margin.
I too look forward to the release of the next PC operating system. The
sounds of wailing will fill the air...
The inevitable application will a live online game of
MEPBM (archaic?).
Providing intelligent access to orders (e.g. blocking
irrelevant orders) will speed up play, and this will
allow marathon all day/weekend sessions to occur. The
MEPBM interface would allow 'live chatting' and allow
for 'visual ordering' (e.g. dragging a character to a
hex).
Of course, with added AI (e.g. the accumulation of
expert player strategies) Harlequin could release a
solitaire version. This would be the greatest ME
computer game ever released (not a difficult title to
attain btw).
Why can't the order sheet be done via the web?
There are lots of technologies that can do field
validation in a web interface.
Finesse's the problem with Macs since the web
doesn't
care what the client machine is.
Joseph
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Well, I think I've discovered a Clint weakness. Seems he has some love of
the Amiga since he's the only person he keeps talking about it. Well,
when we mention "compatibility" we can only assume it extends to
supported and growing OSes. But hey, Amiga did some fine things in it's
time or so I've heard. Never really saw one but therein lies it's problem,
eh?
Yeh never saw a Mac until we bought DGE. Note I have a strong dislike
of Amigas used them for 10 years working- the point being getting anything
done at all is going to be a big project, getting everything done is too
much of a pipe dream I am afraid. Text databases seem like an option.
It's a plan - Sam is dying to write an AI for the game as am I... Part
of the reason for doing the SS turn specially.
Clint
···
The inevitable application will a live online game of
MEPBM (archaic?).
Providing intelligent access to orders (e.g. blocking
irrelevant orders) will speed up play, and this will
allow marathon all day/weekend sessions to occur. The
MEPBM interface would allow 'live chatting' and allow
for 'visual ordering' (e.g. dragging a character to a
hex).
Of course, with added AI (e.g. the accumulation of
expert player strategies) Harlequin could release a
solitaire version. This would be the greatest ME
computer game ever released (not a difficult title to
attain btw).
Ray
--- Joseph Williams <rhudaur@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sooo....
>
> Why can't the order sheet be done via the web?
> There are lots of technologies that can do field
> validation in a web interface.
>
> Finesse's the problem with Macs since the web
> doesn't
> care what the client machine is.
>
> Joseph
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Correction Allsorts. (For the specific amongst all)
Yeh never saw a Mac until we bought DGE. Note I have a strong
dislike
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of Amigas used them for 10 years working- the point being getting anything
done at all is going to be a big project, getting everything done is too
much of a pipe dream I am afraid. Text databases seem like an option.
Ahh yes... The ranting of the rare "under appreciated Mac" user. (Note that it's not
rare because most Mac users don't rant. It's rare because there aren't many Mac users
compared to PC users.) While I dispute the claim that Macs are inherently faster than
PCs for most applications, (as do most computer professionals), even if they were, I
still prefer an OS with more programs available.
Note that I'm not defending Microsoft, as I personally think Bill Gates is a swindler,
(while Apple, on the other hand, is totally incompetent in the area of marketing, and
greedily manipulated themselves into a small niche market). However, the fact remains
that PCs and Macs each have areas where they excel over the other platform, but PCs
have much, much, MUCH more software available for their OS. Hopefully Linux will get
more support, and if Apple ever had a decent selection of software, I'd seriously
consider switching over. Until then, however, I'm stuck with using a PC and a MS OS.
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
From: Morpheus [mailto:morpheus@usermail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 7:41 PM
To: ListMEPBM
Subject: [mepbmlist] OT: Auto-input/ turn checker
Put a top of the line Mac against a PC and watch your PCs bay doors fly
open and smoke.
Finesse isn't the problem, it's Micro$tanks attitude of not being
compatible with the rest of the world. Unix and Macs are compatible (new
Mac OS is even based on FreeBSD version of Unix). An excellent example is
the WMF file format they use against MP3.
And MacWorld certainly wouldn't use test software that favored their platform! That
would be unthinkable!
I've seen PC magazine tests (undoubtedly just as biased the other way) that show the
opposite. Quoting MacWorld to prove how much better the Mac performs is like quoting
the Tobacco industry's "research studies" showing nicotine isn't addicting. It
meaningless.
) While I dispute the claim that Macs are inherently
faster than
PCs for most applications, (as do most computer professionals), even if they
were, I
still prefer an OS with more programs available.
I don't know what Apple has to do to disprove these myths, but they really
need to do it. Put a top end Mac against a top end Pentium and the Mac will
beat the Pentium on virtually any task. Even PC World has finally accepted
that (and they did the tests!). As for the software: if you exclude games,
the Mac and Windows platforms are pretty much equal. Macs lose out on the
way stores display titles. For example, dual-platform titles are almost
always put in the PC section and counted as PC sales except in Mac-only
stores. A lot of PC software is "duplicate" software but counted as a
separate title for sales purposes. (Check your local computer store to see
what I'm getting at.)
if Apple ever had a decent selection of software, I'd
seriously
consider switching over. Until then, however, I'm stuck with using a PC and a
MS OS.
At the last count there were over 15,000 titles for the Mac. Just how many
constitutes "a decent selection" in your view?
Final thoughts:
You rarely get a PC user being passionate about his machine or OS, but you
get a lot of Mac users doing that. What does that tell you?
People switch to Mac of their own volition but rarely do they switch the
other way without coercion.
Companies with Macs have a much lower support cost, if any, than companies
with loads of Windows machines. It's in the Windows support folks' own
interest to keep slagging Mac: it keeps them in a job. Hence your first
remark about "most computer professionals".
And MacWorld certainly wouldn't use test software that favored their platform!
That
would be unthinkable!
I've seen PC magazine tests (undoubtedly just as biased the other way) that
show the
opposite. Quoting MacWorld to prove how much better the Mac performs is like
quoting
the Tobacco industry's "research studies" showing nicotine isn't addicting. It
meaningless.
There have been many tests done publicly. The ones I've seen use the same
software on each platform: for example, Photoshop, Internet Explorer etc,
and they're doing the sort of tasks people do all the time. So, no, they do
not use specific test software, they use everyday applications in everyday
situations.
Most PC tests, trying to show Windows wins, use artificial mechanisms
designed to test raw speed of individual components, for example. Hence the
good ol' Byte benchmarks of yore which have been updated to "drystone" or
whatever.
The MacWorld demo I was referring to was not the magazine, it was the New
York Expo in July. If it's still accessible, you can see the video for
yourself on the Apple site.
I have to agree that there is a lack of software for mac computers. For
major application companies such as Adobe or Microsoft, they usually have
seperate divisions that develop software for PC and Mac apps jointly. So
in this case they're equal.
The real hit in software numbers comes in the games department. Generally
speaking few companies are large enough to have the two divisions and so
only port the PC code to Macs if the game is successful. In other words,
all the junky PC games promising wonders but delivering manure don't come
to the Mac.
Another section we lack in is junky, useless shareware. Since there are
higher standards for what mac users call "good" software, there tends to
be far less of the system-crashing, what's-the-use-of-this kind of software.
Sadly us mac users do have a smaller selection of software but what's
lost is 90% chaff anyways. No loss to me...
Apple's troubles came as part from the past CEO who was a total boob. He
managed to isolate Mac hardware from industry standards (NuBus) and worse
double to triple the price of the system so that no one could afford it.
Thankfully those dark days are over. And while it is still a little more
expensive to have a mac the difference is made up in quality. OS aside, I
have a number of macs in my office and my home. In the past I've had a
number of PCs. Every PC I've ever owned had to have something replaced
(except my $4000 Thinkpad) in it's first year but not one of my macs ever
needed any servicing at any time.
But it always amazes me that Winbloz users fail to see how much Redmond
uses Apple as it's testbed for the future. Heck, you guys would be still
at a command line interface if Gates hadn't seen a mac. And enjoying 640K
too I might add. Isn't reproduction the best form of flattery?
Morpheus
" A PeeCee user who saw the light and switched to Mac two years ago. He
still uses a PC at times but now finds it awkward to do things with it..."
" A mac user who finds it fun to click on the various macro viruses in
his mailbox but is dissappointed with the lack of results"
