can’t we all just get along <singing kumbaya>
Gentlemen,
I think we are missing a point here . These rating will get more and more accurate with time. If you are a good player it is going to show if you are a not so good player it will show too :eek:
We had to start somewhere and the system will take care of all inaccuracies by itself, give it time. The people who do not like the system can opt out. For my part I like to be able to compare myself to the group and that all there is 
Remember the stars will always shine even if you don’t see them during the day. They will shine tonight
Jacques/ Thelor 66
<Originally posted by dshimel
<<I’m just trying to show how badly it sucks to play a game with someone that is interested in getting Victory Points. >>
It also sucks to play with an experience neutral who joins the enemy turn 0 and makes no sort of return contact after being sent several diplos that included not only email addresses but mailing addresses.
It also sucks to be the nation who would use my game as a protesting platform. Go join a 1650 and form your picket line there. I’ll even make you a sign.
-Russ / Dragon233
Mr. Steven McAbee,
Seeing your name listed on the roster of DS did have a small influence on my decision to do FP.
Mr. Floyd,
It is my pledge to never lie to another player in MEPBM. Never, ever. I do not lie. I did not want the DS to know I was going to go FP. Therefore, the only alternative was silence. However, as is said, silence speaks volumes.
I’m sorry I’m not going to be playing against you, but taunt all you want, you’re not going to get me to return to the FP side while the issue is still in doubt.
And, I didn’t side with the FP until GT2, after I typed 320 instead of 325 on GT1. Missing the turn 1 character names, I was not going to be in a position to stand alone against the FP in the NW.
Clint,
I have no problem with people calling me names. It shows they have no logical argument with which to refute my claims, and like cornered animals, resort to slinging feces.
Jacques,
How is the PRS going to get more accurate over time? You’re already missing half the scores that are less than a year old? When I mention half the socres are missing, the other half get removed? How is that “more” accurate?
<<Mr. Floyd,
It is my pledge to never lie to another player in MEPBM. Never, ever. I do not lie. I did not want the DS to know I was going to go FP. Therefore, the only alternative was silence. However, as is said, silence speaks volumes. >>
- As a fellow experienced MEPBM’er, You can acknowledge my existance and my repeated attempts to contact you without lying. What do you think would happen . . . we would be suspicious of you if you didn’t join us by turn 4 or 5 and we’d roll into both your MT’s and knock you out? Uhm, there’s some really difficult logistics behind that. Why do you think Duns go Free 75% of the time? It’s the easy choice for those who don’t like a challenge. You’d be one of the last FP to be hit with your location. Our team is good but not THAT good. I’m glad that you fear us, though.
I’m not trying to taunt you into going back FP. I do not care what you do. You can flip your Icon DS if you like since we will win the game but that does not mean you will BE a Dark Servant.
And for the record, I haven’t called you any names. I’m not going to say some haven’t crossed my mind but I do pride myself on self-control.
I do realize you don’t actually care about ratings. I realize you’re “protesting”. You must realize I don’t appreciate the stage you’ve chosen. You’ve proven nothing with your course of actions. You’ve only proven what type of person you are.
-Russ / Dragon Lord 233
Interesting, Darrell, that you continue to point out that Ben is not worth your time debating with as he resorts to namecalling yet you ignore my post which, seemingly, should fit your bill as “worthy debate.” I guess you have the right to pick your battles. I should expect you to take the easy route judging by your in-game pre-PRS decisions as the Duns. It’s not that I necesarily wish a response from you. I said what I needed to say.
Here’s one last thought before I return to real life drudgery. Someone is trying to COERCE me into following their viewpoint that PRS will DESTROY the game. To illustrate, he is attempting to sabotage the game himself to fill me with FEAR of what is to come if I don’t follow his viewpoint. Let’s open our dictionaries.
“Terrorism : the systematic use of terror (fear) especially as a means of coercion.”
I hope Dubya isn’t reading this message board.
-Russ / Dragon233
Mr Floyd,
I never said that it was not worth my time to debate with Ben. I said that his use of Ad Hominem attacks demonstrated his lack of logical arguments.
I’m not going for max VPs to make players of 233 “afraid” of the PRS. I’m simply providing them the oppertunity to judge the fun of playing in a game where a player is attempting to improve his PRS rating.
I do not find it to be inappropriate to try to score well. Afterall, the designer of the PRS thought it would add a level of fun. I’m just seeing how much fun it adds.
I thought I had addressed your point of my silence in this game. I’m do not lie. To contact the DS while hiding the fact I’d decided to go FP, would have required lieing.
Watch 2001 Space Oddesy and check out HAL 9000. Must tell everything. Can’t tell something. The only option is for there to be no one to tell.
Same here. Can’t lie. Must not tell. The only option is no contact.
Would it have been better for me to send you an email that said “I’m the Duns”, then ignored any additional email from you? I suspect not.
Are you really mad that I told you my intentions now, and at the same time are mad that I failed to tell you my intentions before?
Seems to me that the player base thinks it’s okay to play for VPs as long as you don’t say you are playing for VPs, and that it is worse to be silent than to lie about your leaning toward joining one allegiance or the other.
Probably not the best time, but have the DS though about my offer to buy Staff of Earthmastery? There could be quite a bit of gold in it for you.
Originally posted by benmin18
to prove your argument by going out and trying to ruin the game for 24 other people.
My point was that even a single player trying to get a high VP score could make the game less fun for the other 24 players in the game.
What better way of proving the effect that a single nation playing for max VPs can have, then playing for max VPs and seeing if it messes up the game for the other 24 players?
<<I’m not going for max VPs to make players of 233 “afraid” of the PRS. I’m simply providing them the oppertunity to judge the fun of playing in a game where a player is attempting to improve his PRS rating. >>
Your rating is going to suffer in several categories such as Council of the Wise (best team player, best player, best enemy player). You will not have a grudge team rating as I can’t imagine anyone would have you on their team at this point. Please answer this one question: Why do you only want to excel in the VP-related categories?
The inclusion of the other player-voted categories is a bit of a balancing factor. I actually feel rather flattered that 5 people thought enough of me to take a minute of their time and vote me best team player. Perhaps they do appreciate all the timber and mounts and gold I gave away to allow other nations to survive or deliver the killing blows. Winning the vote of an ally or enemy feels much more valuable to me than winning points based on VP’s.
<<I’m not going for max VPs to make players of 233 “afraid” of the PRS. I’m simply providing them the oppertunity to judge the fun of playing in a game where a player is attempting to improve his PRS rating. >>
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You certainly have a way with words. Thank you so much for providing us with this “opportunity”. You are a real philanthropist. It’s nice to see someone “give back” to the community. Whatever. . . Your intentions are to anger people whether you admit it or not or whether you even realize it or not. You do not seem to be winning many friends judging by the occasional outside commentary that drops into this. Yes, I know, “PRS is the reason for this anti-shimelism and it has nothing to do with you”. You’ve really proven your point.
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Play the game, have fun, quit worrying about the rating system, and go play with your kids more, call mom or dad more often, or do something else worthwhile.
MEPBM: It’s a GAME.
-Russ
Darrell, this discussion is a fine example of how somebody can get carried away by his pride to a point from where he doesn’t have the braveness to return - you are riding deeper into the muck with every move…
let us see what you have proven:
you have proven that a neutral player who is “exploiting” the weaknesses (as you put it) of the new PRS to gather VP will be… will be despised by every other player and probably attacked by both allegiances. Thus he will be eliminated very quickly, thus NOT getting any VP, NOT any rating and NOT appearing on any listing… he will ruin the game for himself, in the first place.
Now what was your point, exactly ?
Originally posted by RKFloyd
Your rating is going to suffer in several categories such as Council of the Wise (best team player, best player, best enemy player). You will not have a grudge team rating as I can’t imagine anyone would have you on their team at this point. Please answer this one question: Why do you only want to excel in the VP-related categories?
I’m on a very good grudge team. Actually, we’re 8th on the list. Of course, I’ve missed a couple of their games here and there. The roster changes fairly frequently, but I’ve been with this “team” in one of it’s forms, since 2950-48 under GSI.
Yes, my “council of the wise” rating will suffer. But, the other ratings all increase for a win, regardless of how late I choose a side or how much I add to allegiance victory.
Originally posted by RKFloyd
* You certainly have a way with words. Thank you so much for providing us with this “opportunity”. You are a real philanthropist. It’s nice to see someone “give back” to the community. Whatever. . . Your intentions are to anger people whether you admit it or not
No, I’m truely not trying to anger people. ALLLL I’m trying to do is show people what it is like to play in a game where someone is openly playing for max VPs, so they’ll write Clint and tell him that any use of the VPs is a very bad idea.
I’m not looking for revenge. I’m not looking to punish people because I “lost” the PRS non-debate. I’m trying to kill what I see as a very bad player rating system, before I’m stuck in a game where someone else is playing the way I’m playing in this game.
I see this as the PERFECT game to make this point. I’m a neutral. A fairly unimportant neutral at that.
If I were NG or CL, I would not be doing this. But I’m not. I’m the Duns. The WW will be neutral for a long time. The Rhun was talking about being out. As far as I know, Easterlings and Corsairs haven’t choosen sides.
So, what have I really “done” to the game? Unbalance it? If the Easterlings and Corsairs are still really neutral, then working with the FP was the unbalancing activity.
You tell me to ignore VPs and play the game. How about you decide how fun it is when nations are playing for VPs and make a comment to Clint? How about you ignore what a neutral Duns are working toward, and just play the game?
Darrell Shimel
Well Darrell, I’ve been playing this game for around 10 years now, back under GSI before email and all that extra jaz, my first game was actually a 3-week game hehe.
In all the games I’ve played, there have been many. I’ve never had a neutral sit on the fence and go with the winning team at the last min (though I have heard of ones that have), the vast majority of the neutrals turn around turn 10. The ones that did wait longer, waited to see which side was winning so they could join the other side to balance the game out more.
I’ve had a lot of good players and a lot of bad… but I’ve never had one that has blatently put VP ahead of anything else. Sure I’ve had people that were intrested in their VP, even I’ll admit that I was, but I never put it before the best intrest of the team. If I did, I’m sure I would have been able to get more than 2 winning certificats (from GSI)
Maybe I’ve been lucky and played with good people.
Shayne.
<< How about you ignore what a neutral Duns are working toward, and just play the game?>>
- Already doing it, my friend. You can ask my teammates . . .I’ve been telling them to ignore you ever since you sent that ridiculous letter. But they just HAD to get involved so here I am too. I’m a team player.
-Russ / Dragon233
Originally posted by Zalendar
[b]In all the games I’ve played, there have been many. I’ve never had a neutral sit on the fence and go with the winning team at the last min (though I have heard of ones that have)…Maybe I’ve been lucky and played with good people.
Shayne. [/b]
I have… and some of them are in the top 50 lists of the new PRS system
I’m just trying to show how badly it sucks to play a game with someone that is interested in getting Victory Points. Welcome to the post PRS world.
Darrell Shimel
Thanks for being upfront with your position. Trust is a hard thing to come by and even harder to get back. Welcome to being labeled in the ME world.
Doug
Darrell,
Your quote: “It is my pledge to never lie to another player in MEPBM. Never, ever. I do not lie.”
Uhmmm, didn’t you pledge to join the free nations in 233?
Doug
Originally posted by deevel
[b]Darrell,Your quote: “It is my pledge to never lie to another player in MEPBM. Never, ever. I do not lie.”
Uhmmm, didn’t you pledge to join the free nations in 233?
Doug [/b]
Nope. I said I intended to join the free. At the time I said that, it was true. I did intend to join the free. Then PRS came along, and how good a player you are became a matter of wins, losses and VPs instead of the apreciation of your teammates. Things changed, so my intentions changed.
<<Then PRS came along, and how good a player you are became a matter of wins, losses and VPs instead of the apreciation of your teammates. >>
You still continue to ignore the Council of the Wise ratings which are built on nothing BUT the appreciation of BOTH teammates and enemies. I envision a future where names that appear on these lists will be respected and those on the more “selfish” VP lists will be prone to be scoffed at. All you’ve proven is just how despised those sorts of players will be. This should fill you with optomism for the game’s future knowing that you are not the only one intelligent enough to decipher the meanings behind the ratings. Please give us some credit. Your self-appointed duty as the Great Messenger who affords us the “opportunity” to see what we already know is not needed.
-Russ / Dragon233
Some of you following this thread may notice that about a page’s worth of posts are suddenly gone. That’s because I deleted them. There has always been a sort of “unwritten policy” here that personal attacks are not allowed. Of course, it’s difficult for to read through every post made to the forums, so I’m sure it happens all the time and nothing is done about it. However, this thread, in general, has become one of the most inflammatory threads I’ve ever seen on this message board.
Since I’m too lazy to try to edit peoples’ threads to erase inappropriate remarks, I’m just going to delete whole posts. If you’re going to call someone an idiot, or whatever, please try not to fill your post full of otherwise interesting and useful information, because it will all just get deleted. If you want to flame someone, please email them or use the private messaging function of this forum. I know it’s not as satisfying as tearing into someone in public, but that sort of thing is just not necessary.
Thanks.
Sigh But the insults were fun…
- Ben