Apparently someone does have “comms up” with EA. Its just not any FP. EA cav is sitting at 4415 with the LR cav. It is kind of hard to see this as a failure to coordinate between EA and NM/SE.
Feel free to respond Huz, as the FP have already been courteous enough to diplo you this turn.
LR almost got both bridges, didn’t yah?
Now how much movement does that EA and LR cav get on the way north, if they are bounced by the SE navy at 4413. The answer: not much if your LR navy swims out to his ships!
Still waiting to hear from you Huz, or even the denial from Uvatha that you are in cahoots.
DU has promised to tell us which way he is declaring. Then I anticipate the CO/HA will make their decisions. So to a degree, it seems to me we should wait for at least DU to decide how he is going to flip. Again I appreciate both RH and DU candor in this regard, even should DU follow RH and go DS.
Then there is the EA. I will not rant about the EA silence. His moves are clearly aggressive, and anti-FP. We have emailed him. He has not responded. He has bounced our army moves in T1 and T2.
Everyone would like to give him the benefit of the doubt. However in his apparent silence to both allegiances, his army moves align with the LR plan. And it is noteworthy the LR remains silent on this issue as well.
Well for the record I know the Ea was/is having email issues but to claim that his moves are anti-FP or align with any LR plan are grossly untrue. THe army situation may be frustrating but look before you accuse?
For generations, the Dunedain to the north and south of our beloved Dunland have treated us as scoundrels and outcasts! NO MORE! Sauron’s lieutenants have assured us that the last remnants of the Dunedain shall be swept from Middle-earth, and we shall do everything in our power to assist them in their victory!
Well, in response to an email a few submissions above,
I HAVE looked and more importantly I have emailed.
EA has not responded to us (FP), but seems to be able to respond in some degree to you (DS). I am not accusing the DS collectively, but I am specifically asking the EA and LR. To which the EA silence in particular is ringing in my ears.
For those of you who dissagree, I ask you to put the FP shoes on, and see how they feel. EA moves are objectively harming FP and “the friend of my enemy is my…”, so what would your perspective as a FP be? Would you think the EA is making newbie mistakes or would you think the EA is playing as an undeclared DS?
And I am NOT stating the DS are playing underhanded, nor am I asking any of them (well maybe LR) to explain the EA action. If I were in DS shoes, I would be smiling and laughing at my opponents’ missfortune.
I do however give kudos to both RH and DU who have been open, honest and (I think) always inclined but not committed to go DS. DU has now also declared DS. There is absolutely no ill will harbored in that regard, absent a desire to obtain victory over them rather than with them Likewise CO/HA have been open about their desire to sit and watch the game develop, unless RH/DU flip early to DS. Now I do not hold CO/HA to a contractual agreement, but rather use this to emonstrate their degree of openness when dealing with BOTH FP and DS. Again this seperates them from the conduct of whomever is playing the EA in this game.
You may or may not see the FP get orders in this turn. We now need to ask the CO/HA to flip FP. Despite their earlier statements, they are by no means required or expected to do so absent a request from some FPs. And should they choose to go FP, we need to give them access to the group page and try to coordinate to some degree.
To all of this I still commit my nation to getting orders submitted today, and again pledge to provide the rest of you (excepting perhaps EA) a pint if the FP fail to get orders in before the weekend.
Just fyi, LR has recently become a father, so please do not take his silence as being indicative of any particular position.
For my part I can state, categorically, that any circumstances around beneficial army movements with the EA are exactly that: circumstance, and not design. As a team the DS have had very little communication with the EA (albeit, apparently, more than the FP).
I would also state that, contrary to other opinions, I do not feel ‘secure’ that EA are going to declare for the DS – I have had nothing approaching terms, let alone a timetable, etc.
I understand how things must look to the Free – I’d probably be more than a little miffed myself. But please understand that game-altering decisions are currently being made on presumptions of EA motives – none of us really know what those are at this stage.
Finally, just to say that by no means does this mean that a DS declaration by the EA would be unwelcome, only that it is definitely unexpected at present.
Corsairs and Harad would prefer in the best of all possible worlds, to declare for different allegiances so that we might duke it out and have lots of fun doing so. However, we also believe strongly that given that we observe two competent teams (FP & DS), that a 3:2 neutral split is mandatory. That will make the best overall game for all 25 players. The last thing that either Harad or Corsairs want is to muck up the game by having an uneven neutral split. We both agree that the two teams are competent and communicate well. We are impressed with both teams and if I might be so bold as to speak for both of us (which I guess I am indeed doing), each of us would be happy joining either team.
I also applaud the decision of Duns & Rhu to go DS early. I applaud those decisions out of desire that the game be more interesting and fun for all 25 players. With an early DS Duns/Rhu, the northwest is actually a contest (normally not the case).
Make no mistake, both Wade (Corsairs) and I will play to win, whichever side we join. My point in posting this is to say that we have decided both sides are competent and that our primary declaration determination will be to ensure a 3:2 neutral split. We prefer to split our own declarations, but if Easterlings goes DS, then we must both go FP. Not a happy thing for QA (who has been a gentleman, both open and honest in his communication), but I’m sure the rest of the DS will work quickly to help him out (I will teach a class in my commanders looking frequently over their shoulders). My only request is that hostilities be defered until we do declare a final decision (which will not be unduly held in reserve). We are being straight-forward and honest in the interest of making the best possible game. We hope both sides will treat us with some modicum of courtesy as a result.
And to be crystal clear, Harad will not be declaring on turn 3 orders, nor will we take any hostile actions against anyone. Though I must say that I am starting to read writing on a wall. Easterlings has not declared yet.
Dave
p.s. believe it or not, Wade and I just met after receiving turn 0s. The cool thing is that he and I think exactly alike wrt the responsibilty of neutrals to make the game a fun game (given both teams are competent and fun to join).
I have submitted orders for EO and shadow orders for DW.
Without letting the cat out of the bag, regarding specific orders, please contact me on this forum before you submit your turn. Then we can try to discuss things off line. I have sent you numerous emails, khamul@ hotmail, but I continue to get the “undeliverable” messages.
Ok. Someone is ruining the point of this game. There should be no more than 3-4 days between turns at most. What is going on here. If you can’t hack the speed then why did you sign up for this type of game?
Aye there don’t seem to be much POWER in our power game. Its seems we are a one week game that leaves most of us with blue-balls at the thought that we might have a week with an extra turn…Sigh, It is frustrating rushing to get orders sent in after 2 days, to have the game just go a week before we get any results. Could the parties responsible please pick up the pace? FP, DS, neutrals?
I agree with those calling for people to submit turns faster. what is up with the slowness??? we all signed up for a rapid-turn-around game. that was the premise. I can understand a lack of concern about speed on T1 and T2 because of the combination of getting teams organized, courting neutrals, and the fact that there was no economic incentive to going fast. however we’re on T3 now and WE’RE STILL SLOW!!! ugh.
I think part of the problem is we get turns on a Tuesday, and if we want it run on Friday that leaves only 2 days to get them in until Friday. The weekend placement means that if you dont have your turns in by Thursday, you’re not getting them until the next week anyway.
But, if the turns were run on a Friday, and we can spend the weekend emailing the turns around and such, then I can see orders getting in by Tuesday for a run Weds. Know what I mean?
I do believe DS have all our orders in by Today WED, so does this mean all Freeps have there orders in before end of business today. Which hopefully we can get these orders back for Friday, what are the chances?
