A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for the end of a game. I
can see some pros and cons for this.
Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it when we do the game end stuff
that we do.
Clint
I thought Palantir was no longer being developed/supported?
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At 16:48 09/02/2005, ME Games Ltd wrote:
A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for the end of a game. I
can see some pros and cons for this.Thoughts welcome.
I'd like to see this.
Tony Z
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 04:48:30PM -0000, ME Games Ltd wrote:
A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for the end of a game. I
can see some pros and cons for this.Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it when we do the game end stuff
that we do.
--
Grand romantic gestures are wonderful, but one must draw the line
when it comes to permanently maiming yourself.
--Ace of Spades HQ
More erosion of the fog-of-war. Useful for researching current, former and potential future enemies.
Ed Mills
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From: "Laurence G. Tilley" <lgtilley@morespeed.net>
Reply-To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Idea for end of game
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:23:08 +0000At 16:48 09/02/2005, ME Games Ltd wrote:
>A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for the end of a game. I
>can see some pros and cons for this.
>
>Thoughts welcome.I thought Palantir was no longer being developed/supported?
[]
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I like this idea.
JCC
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--- ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for
the end of a game. I
can see some pros and cons for this.Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it when
we do the game end stuff
that we do.Clint
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Clint,
I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this idea. Players already have the option of swapping PDFs and XMLs with their opposition if they so choose. Some games, I wouldn't mind sharing; other games, maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve that I wouldn't want the opposition to know about. A GM-created, final palantir map is an idea that needs to go away.
Drew Carson
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ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for the end of a game. I
can see some pros and cons for this.
Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it when we do the game end stuff
that we do.
Clint
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I disagree. I think it is a great idea. Assuming, of
course, every nation in the game wants the map
released. One person doesn't want it released, then it
isn't. Should be ample protection for those that want
there secrets protected.
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--- Drukarzun <drukarzun@yahoo.com> wrote:
Clint,
I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this idea.
Players already have the option of swapping PDFs
and XMLs with their opposition if they so choose.
Some games, I wouldn't mind sharing; other games,
maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve that I
wouldn't want the opposition to know about. A
GM-created, final palantir map is an idea that needs
to go away.Drew Carson
ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for
the end of a game. I
can see some pros and cons for this.Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it when
we do the game end stuff
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Darrell -- you have made a huge assumption there. Clint's original post said nothing about consent of the players; that was something mentioned by subsequent posters. I am steadfast in my opposition to this bad idea, for one overarching reason: you already have the opportunity to swap files with your opponents. Why does it seem everyone wants to continually dumb-down this game?
Drew
I disagree. I think it is a great idea. Assuming, of
course, every nation in the game wants the map
released. One person doesn't want it released, then it
isn't. Should be ample protection for those that want
there secrets protected.
···
Darrell Shimel <threeedgedsword35@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- Drukarzun <drukarzun@yahoo.com> wrote:
Clint,
I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this idea.
Players already have the option of swapping PDFs
and XMLs with their opposition if they so choose.
Some games, I wouldn't mind sharing; other games,
maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve that I
wouldn't want the opposition to know about. A
GM-created, final palantir map is an idea that needs
to go away.Drew Carson
ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for
the end of a game. I
can see some pros and cons for this.Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it when
we do the game end stuff
that we do.Clint
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Clint,
I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this idea. Players
already have the option of swapping PDFs and XMLs with their
opposition if they so choose. Some games, I wouldn't mind sharing;
other games, maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve that I wouldn't
want the opposition to know about. A GM-created, final palantir map
is an idea that needs to go away.
Drew Carson
What he said! Wow, someone agrees with me 
···
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Drukarzun <drukarzun@y...> wrote:
I am steadfast in my opposition
to this bad idea, for one overarching reason: you
already have the opportunity to swap files with your
opponents.
I want to see maps even for games I wasn't in... Just
think it would be interesting...
And don't think for a second that steadfast opposition
will get you anything but labeled a "crazed activist",
and maybe even a temporary ban from the boards.
Why does it seem everyone wants to
continually dumb-down this game?Drew
I disagree. I think it is a great idea. Assuming,
of
course, every nation in the game wants the map
released. One person doesn't want it released, then
it
isn't. Should be ample protection for those that
want
there secrets protected.> Clint,
>
> I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this
idea.
> Players already have the option of swapping PDFs
> and XMLs with their opposition if they so choose.
> Some games, I wouldn't mind sharing; other games,
> maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve that I
> wouldn't want the opposition to know about. A
> GM-created, final palantir map is an idea that
needs
> to go away.
>
> Drew Carson
>
> A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map
for
> the end of a game. I
> can see some pros and cons for this.
>
> Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it
when
> we do the game end stuff
> that we do.
>
> Clint
>
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Do people really get banned for their opinions? If so, ban me, because I am full of opinions.
And, for the record, a "crazed activist" is to be equated to a suicide bomber, or, if you are looking for some local color, a "hooligan," and certainly not a MEPBM player.
No map swap. Down with the map swap. Booooo map swap. Off with the map swap's head. I pay $7.60 US for my .xml and .pdf. If someone else is gonna pay my turn fee, they are welcome to my information.
Jason Mele
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Shimel" <threeedgedsword35@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Idea for end of game
I am steadfast in my opposition
to this bad idea, for one overarching reason: you
already have the opportunity to swap files with your
opponents.I want to see maps even for games I wasn't in... Just
think it would be interesting...And don't think for a second that steadfast opposition
will get you anything but labeled a "crazed activist",
and maybe even a temporary ban from the boards.Why does it seem everyone wants to
continually dumb-down this game?Drew
Darrell Shimel <threeedgedsword35@yahoo.com> wrote:
I disagree. I think it is a great idea. Assuming,
of
course, every nation in the game wants the map
released. One person doesn't want it released, then
it
isn't. Should be ample protection for those that
want
there secrets protected.--- Drukarzun <drukarzun@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Clint,
>
> I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this
idea.
> Players already have the option of swapping PDFs
> and XMLs with their opposition if they so choose.
> Some games, I wouldn't mind sharing; other games,
> maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve that I
> wouldn't want the opposition to know about. A
> GM-created, final palantir map is an idea that
needs
> to go away.
>
> Drew Carson
>
> ME Games Ltd <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> wrote:
> A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map
for
> the end of a game. I
> can see some pros and cons for this.
>
> Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it
when
> we do the game end stuff
> that we do.
>
> Clint
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Do you share your pdf's and xml's with your team
mates? If yes, what difference does sharing the final
maps with the whole board and, or opposing team?
JCC
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--- Torvanus <torvanus@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Drukarzun
<drukarzun@y...> wrote:
> Clint,
>
> I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this
idea. Players
already have the option of swapping PDFs and XMLs
with their
opposition if they so choose. Some games, I
wouldn't mind sharing;
other games, maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve
that I wouldn't
want the opposition to know about. A GM-created,
final palantir map
is an idea that needs to go away.
>
> Drew CarsonWhat he said! Wow, someone agrees with me
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Well I'm not so steadfastly opposed that I would do anything crazy like make wild accusations or threats against others, hypothetically speaking. I'll just stand up and say my piece, and go on. Btw, like yourself, I don't like the PRS either. But unlike you, I'm in the camp that it doesn't do any real harm (unlike giving out my nation popcenter info against my will). I've basically ignored it since it came out, until someone pointed out to me that I had a top score for a nation, then out of curiousity I looked at the player rankings as well. I found it amusing that some of the best players I personally know are either absent from the lists altogether or 'way down the list, while some bozo players, players who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack, appear near the top. Who cares?
Drew
I am steadfast in my opposition
to this bad idea, for one overarching reason: you
already have the opportunity to swap files with your
opponents.
I want to see maps even for games I wasn't in... Just
think it would be interesting...
And don't think for a second that steadfast opposition
will get you anything but labeled a "crazed activist",
and maybe even a temporary ban from the boards.
Why does it seem everyone wants to
continually dumb-down this game?Drew
Darrell Shimel wrote:
I disagree. I think it is a great idea. Assuming,
of
course, every nation in the game wants the map
released. One person doesn't want it released, then
it
isn't. Should be ample protection for those that
want
there secrets protected.--- Drukarzun wrote:
> Clint,
>
> I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this
idea.
> Players already have the option of swapping PDFs
> and XMLs with their opposition if they so choose.
> Some games, I wouldn't mind sharing; other games,
> maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve that I
> wouldn't want the opposition to know about. A
> GM-created, final palantir map is an idea that
needs
> to go away.
>
> Drew Carson
>
> ME Games Ltd wrote:
> A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map
for
> the end of a game. I
> can see some pros and cons for this.
>
> Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it
when
> we do the game end stuff
> that we do.
>
> Clint
>
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We "choose" to share .pdf's with teamates. How can you not see the difference? I don't pay $7.60 US to instruct someone else... though I do pay it to school them 
If you want to build a comprehensive map, ask each nation for a copy of their .xml and, if they give it, build the map. It is that simple.
Jason Mele
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Idea for end of game
Do you share your pdf's and xml's with your team
mates? If yes, what difference does sharing the final
maps with the whole board and, or opposing team?
JCC
--- Torvanus <torvanus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Drukarzun
> <drukarzun@y...> wrote:
> > Clint,
> >
> > I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this
> idea. Players
> already have the option of swapping PDFs and XMLs
> with their
> opposition if they so choose. Some games, I
> wouldn't mind sharing;
> other games, maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve
> that I wouldn't
> want the opposition to know about. A GM-created,
> final palantir map
> is an idea that needs to go away.
> >
> > Drew Carson
>
>
> What he said! Wow, someone agrees with me
>
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Yes, I almost always share my files with team mates. The difference is that I share my information with whom I choose. An argument could be made that all the info really belongs to ME Games, but my feeling is that I bought and paid for it myslef. However, after Clint's first post, he later said he would need the players' permission to create and distribute the maps. I can live with that, knowing I had a potential veto, as I think most players could.
John Choules <chuck_john_61853@yahoo.com> wrote:Do you share your pdf's and xml's with your team
mates? If yes, what difference does sharing the final
maps with the whole board and, or opposing team?
JCC
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--- Torvanus <torvanus@yahoo.com> wrote:
--- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Drukarzun
<drukarzun@y...> wrote:
> Clint,
>
> I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this
idea. Players
already have the option of swapping PDFs and XMLs
with their
opposition if they so choose. Some games, I
wouldn't mind sharing;
other games, maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve
that I wouldn't
want the opposition to know about. A GM-created,
final palantir map
is an idea that needs to go away.
>
> Drew CarsonWhat he said! Wow, someone agrees with me
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Do people really get banned for their opinions? If
so, ban me, because I am
full of opinions.
I got banned for a very short period of time. The
decision was quickly reversed and I did not have to
serve out my full sentance.
It wasn't officially for my opinion... Officially, it
was for "spamming".... However, EVERY post I made was
responding to someone else...
Infliction.... I mean.... Introduction of the Player
Rating System was a very ugly period for MEPBM....
One I'm sure NO ONE is in a hurry to repeat.
No map swap. Down with the map swap. Booooo map
swap. Off with the map
swap's head. I pay $7.60 US for my .xml and .pdf.
If someone else is gonna
pay my turn fee, they are welcome to my information.
I still think it would be cool to get to see maps of
games I wasn't in.
Last time I was in a game when it ended, I did a
little right up as to our strategy, what went right,
worng, etc. Am I giving a little info away that will
help others against our grudge team in the future???
Sure, but frankly, most of our opposition needs ALL
the help they can get.
I'm already preparing the same thing for a current
grudge game I'm in that should be ending very soon....
More than words, it would be cool to be able to send
along a map showing that the WK owns Bree...... But
any map I produced would only show DS holdings... then
again, it seems the FP won't have any holdings by the
time this one ends.
Anyway, I'm steadfast in my support for game-end
maps... Up with game end maps.....
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Clint himself did mention consent of players, I believe, or at least subsequently agreed to it.
What's to dumb down? Make it the Simple Colour Scheme map. What can a gif show that'll "dumb down" the game? An off-map pop? An icon showing an army in an odd place? Who's to say which nation even owns said pop or army anyway? If anything, someone else might say "what a neat place to put a pop"... that is actually the opposite of "dumbing down".
Brad Brunet
Darrell -- you have made a huge assumption there. Clint's original post said nothing about consent of the players; that was something mentioned by subsequent posters. I am steadfast in my opposition to this bad idea, for one overarching reason: you already have the opportunity to swap files with your opponents. Why does it seem everyone wants to continually dumb-down this game?
Drew
Darrell Shimel wrote:
I disagree. I think it is a great idea. Assuming, of
course, every nation in the game wants the map
released. One person doesn't want it released, then it
isn't. Should be ample protection for those that want
there secrets protected.
--- Drukarzun wrote:
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Drukarzun <drukarzun@yahoo.com> wrote:
Clint,
I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this idea.
Players already have the option of swapping PDFs
and XMLs with their opposition if they so choose.
Some games, I wouldn't mind sharing; other games,
maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve that I
wouldn't want the opposition to know about. A
GM-created, final palantir map is an idea that needs
to go away.Drew Carson
ME Games Ltd wrote:
A player has suggested that we do a Palantir map for
the end of a game. I
can see some pros and cons for this.Thoughts welcome. Logistically we could do it when
we do the game end stuff
that we do.Clint
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Yes, I share pdf's with my allies, but there is more to "publishing"
this data than that. Start with the simple matter of where pop
centers are going to be placed at the beginning of the game. A lot of
players do the same thing over and over when they play the same
nation. Some people I chose not to play with on my team and therefore
by default they end up being my oposition, without this option, they
wouldn't have access to this information.
Much as I would like the information, I would have to vote with those
against this idea.
Just like the PRS. If I knew what that was going to mean, I would
have tried to opt out of it before the early data was published.
(That ought to get a whole "new" thread started).
Kevin
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Do you share your pdf's and xml's with your team
mates? If yes, what difference does sharing the final
maps with the whole board and, or opposing team?JCC
--- Torvanus <torvanus@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com, Drukarzun
> <drukarzun@y...> wrote:
> > Clint,
> >
> > I am categorically, absolutely opposed to this
> idea. Players
> already have the option of swapping PDFs and XMLs
> with their
> opposition if they so choose. Some games, I
> wouldn't mind sharing;
> other games, maybe I had a few tricks up my sleeve
> that I wouldn't
> want the opposition to know about. A GM-created,
> final palantir map
> is an idea that needs to go away.
> >
> > Drew Carson
>
>
> What he said! Wow, someone agrees with me
>
>
>
>
>
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So what you really want is the opportunity to brag? Let the game speak for itself. Here is an idea: how about investing the energy and effort that would be put into a player map into fixing fourth age.
Jason Mele
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From: Darrell Shimel
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Idea for end of game
--- Mele <necron99@charter.net> wrote:
> Do people really get banned for their opinions? If
> so, ban me, because I am
> full of opinions.
I got banned for a very short period of time. The
decision was quickly reversed and I did not have to
serve out my full sentance.
It wasn't officially for my opinion... Officially, it
was for "spamming".... However, EVERY post I made was
responding to someone else...
Infliction.... I mean.... Introduction of the Player
Rating System was a very ugly period for MEPBM....
One I'm sure NO ONE is in a hurry to repeat.
> No map swap. Down with the map swap. Booooo map
> swap. Off with the map
> swap's head. I pay $7.60 US for my .xml and .pdf.
> If someone else is gonna
> pay my turn fee, they are welcome to my information.
I still think it would be cool to get to see maps of
games I wasn't in.
Last time I was in a game when it ended, I did a
little right up as to our strategy, what went right,
worng, etc. Am I giving a little info away that will
help others against our grudge team in the future???
Sure, but frankly, most of our opposition needs ALL
the help they can get.
I'm already preparing the same thing for a current
grudge game I'm in that should be ending very soon....
More than words, it would be cool to be able to send
along a map showing that the WK owns Bree...... But
any map I produced would only show DS holdings... then
again, it seems the FP won't have any holdings by the
time this one ends.
Anyway, I'm steadfast in my support for game-end
maps... Up with game end maps.....
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The energy and effort is likely in the less than 5 minutes, 1 time, per game at game end.
I don't believe every responding here is aware of just what's at stake in regards to all this precious "information" that seems to require all this "protection".
It's a simple gif of all of ME that shows Pops and Armys of the allegiances. WHAT is everyone scared of...?
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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Idea for end of game
--- Mele wrote:
Do people really get banned for their opinions? If
so, ban me, because I am
full of opinions.
I got banned for a very short period of time. The
decision was quickly reversed and I did not have to
serve out my full sentance.
It wasn't officially for my opinion... Officially, it
was for "spamming".... However, EVERY post I made was
responding to someone else...
Infliction.... I mean.... Introduction of the Player
Rating System was a very ugly period for MEPBM....
One I'm sure NO ONE is in a hurry to repeat.
No map swap. Down with the map swap. Booooo map
swap. Off with the map
swap's head. I pay $7.60 US for my .xml and .pdf.
If someone else is gonna
pay my turn fee, they are welcome to my information.
I still think it would be cool to get to see maps of
games I wasn't in.
Last time I was in a game when it ended, I did a
little right up as to our strategy, what went right,
worng, etc. Am I giving a little info away that will
help others against our grudge team in the future???
Sure, but frankly, most of our opposition needs ALL
the help they can get.
I'm already preparing the same thing for a current
grudge game I'm in that should be ending very soon....
More than words, it would be cool to be able to send
along a map showing that the WK owns Bree...... But
any map I produced would only show DS holdings... then
again, it seems the FP won't have any holdings by the
time this one ends.
Anyway, I'm steadfast in my support for game-end
maps... Up with game end maps.....
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