Having never really used mages to any useful extent yet, I'm a little confused about
a couple of things....Of course, I've picked up the WW, so with a 90 mage, I really
have nothing to worry about, but I'd still love clarification!
Just about everything a mage does is either based on
Natural mage rank and/or casting rank - yes/no?
The casting rank of a newly researched spell
is a factor of the Natural mage rank too - yes/no?
Thus, exactly what use are Mage artifacts, beyond the challenge increase? I mean,
you can stack 100 mage points onto a 10 mage starting character, but they wouldn't
be able to grab any spells they can use - yes/no?
Many thanks,
Brad Brunet, recently representing Saruman the White in Game 24...
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One benefit of mage artifacts is the higher chance
even for a not so skilled mage to learn the "hard"
(and useful) spells.
The other benefit of mage artifacts is for me obvious:
Mage rank is included with factor 1 in the challenge
rank. So several mage artifacts can make him a good
challenger.
Karsten
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Having never really used mages to any useful extent
yet, I'm a little confused about<BR>
a couple of things....Of course, I've picked up the
WW, so with a 90 mage, I really<BR>
have nothing to worry about, but I'd still love
clarification!<BR>
<BR>
Just about everything a mage does is either based
on<BR>
Natural mage rank and/or casting rank - yes/no?<BR>
<BR>
The casting rank of a newly researched spell<BR>
is a factor of the Natural mage rank too -
yes/no?<BR>
<BR>
Thus, exactly what use are Mage artifacts, beyond the
challenge increase? I mean,<BR>
you can stack 100 mage points onto a 10 mage starting
character, but they wouldn't<BR>
be able to grab any spells they can use - yes/no?<BR>
<BR>
Many thanks,<BR>
<BR>
Brad Brunet, recently representing Saruman the White
in Game 24...<BR>
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1. (As you said), Directly add to challenge rank. Unlike weapons, you can stack them.
This helps to allow you to cast two spells instead of having to refuse. (That's why
you can get a 250 challenge with a mage, but it's virtually impossible to get it with
other skills.)
2. Directly adds to the casting rank of a spell. So, if you learned a spell with a 65
casting rank, and you've got a 25 mage artifact, then you'll cast it with a 90% chance
of success. (Of course, some spells have other factors influencing their success, but
this is the basic gist of it.)
You are correct in that your natural mage rank is what is factored into your initial
casting skill when you learn new spells, and mage artifacts will NOT help that.
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-Having never really used mages to any useful extent yet, I'm a little confused about
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-Just about everything a mage does is either based on
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-you can stack 100 mage points onto a 10 mage starting character, but they wouldn't
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You are correct in that your natural mage rank is what is factored into your initial
casting skill when you learn new spells, and mage artifacts will NOT help that.
Mage artifacts will let you learn a spell that you could not have otherwise. if the Mage
artfact casting bonus + the casting rank that you'll get if you were to learn the spell is
high enough to cast the spell it will let you learn the spell when normaly you would not
learn it.
In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.
but no joy.
Now I am stumped.
Duncan
RD: Radagast? Tom Bombadil?
Richard.
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From: "Duncan" <duncan.harris@ucl.ac.uk>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 12:06 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Hearty tree riddle: Another wrong answer
I just realised that you probably already tried the
'Tom' answer.
This is a great riddle, I mean it might refer to Beorn
or Treebeard. However, what does hearty mean? And
what is all this 'proverbial' business? Is there a
proverb that goes 'as hearty as a tree'?
Hearty can mean 'strong' or it can mean 'friendly', so
that doesnt help. However, if there is a 'proverb'
regarding trees, surely it cant mean 'as friendly as a
tree'. Although trees can provide shelter?
Heh, heh.
We had this discussion a few weeks ago. The wrong answers we know
about are:
Fangorn, Quickbeam, Radagast, Legolas, Thranduil, Tom Bombadil,
Celeborn, Old Man Willow, Ghan-buri-Ghan, Beorn
plus, Amroth and Maeglin which we have recently tried.
Personally, I'd go for hearty as meaning 'healthy and strong'. Since the
tree is proverbial and not literal I guess we are looking for someone
strong and healthy, living in a forest who is not in any way, shape or
form, a tree or tree related.
Sudden thought, how about Thingol ?
He lived in a forest, fairly healthy and strong (being one of the
original 3 high Kings of the Elves), helped fight against Morgoth in the
early days of Beleriand before the Noldor arrived, and then did his own
thing by drawing back and sealing himself off in Doriath (plus he tried
to keep a Silmiril for himself).
Duncan
Ray Devlin wrote:
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I just realised that you probably already tried the
'Tom' answer.
This is a great riddle, I mean it might refer to Beorn
or Treebeard. However, what does hearty mean? And
what is all this 'proverbial' business? Is there a
proverb that goes 'as hearty as a tree'?
Hearty can mean 'strong' or it can mean 'friendly', so
that doesnt help. However, if there is a 'proverb'
regarding trees, surely it cant mean 'as friendly as a
tree'. Although trees can provide shelter?
This is a tough one...I give up. Good luck
Ray
--- Duncan <duncan.harris@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> This is probably more useful to Din.
>
> I tried Maeglin as an answer to the riddle:
>
> In a forest lived he
> as hearty as the proverbial tree.
> During the struggle he helped as he could
> but, in the end, he did as he would.
>
> but no joy.
>
> Now I am stumped.
>
> Duncan
>
Heh, heh.
We had this discussion a few weeks ago. The wrong answers we know
about are:
Fangorn, Quickbeam, Radagast, Legolas, Thranduil, Tom Bombadil,
Celeborn, Old Man Willow, Ghan-buri-Ghan, Beorn
plus, Amroth and Maeglin which we have recently tried.
Personally, I'd go for hearty as meaning 'healthy and strong'. Since the
tree is proverbial and not literal I guess we are looking for someone
strong and healthy, living in a forest who is not in any way, shape or
form, a tree or tree related.
Sudden thought, how about Thingol ?
He lived in a forest, fairly healthy and strong (being one of the
original 3 high Kings of the Elves), helped fight against Morgoth in the
early days of Beleriand before the Noldor arrived, and then did his own
thing by drawing back and sealing himself off in Doriath (plus he tried
to keep a Silmiril for himself).
Duncan
Ray Devlin wrote:
I just realised that you probably already tried the
'Tom' answer.
This is a great riddle, I mean it might refer to Beorn
or Treebeard. However, what does hearty mean? And
what is all this 'proverbial' business? Is there a
proverb that goes 'as hearty as a tree'?
Hearty can mean 'strong' or it can mean 'friendly', so
that doesnt help. However, if there is a 'proverb'
regarding trees, surely it cant mean 'as friendly as a
tree'. Although trees can provide shelter?
This is a tough one...I give up. Good luck
Ray
--- Duncan <duncan.harris@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> This is probably more useful to Din.
>
> I tried Maeglin as an answer to the riddle:
>
> In a forest lived he
> as hearty as the proverbial tree.
> During the struggle he helped as he could
> but, in the end, he did as he would.
>
> but no joy.
>
> Now I am stumped.
>
> Duncan
>
Duncan wrote:
>
> Heh, heh.
> We had this discussion a few weeks ago. The
wrong answers we know
> about are:
>
> Fangorn, Quickbeam, Radagast, Legolas, Thranduil,
Tom Bombadil,
> Celeborn, Old Man Willow, Ghan-buri-Ghan, Beorn
>
> plus, Amroth and Maeglin which we have recently
tried.
>
Whoops, forgot to add Treebeard and Gandalf to the
list.
But it doesn't help with the casting rank you learn it at. So you might learn that
hard spell with your 40 mage, but he may only know it at 30 rank.
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-Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Mage Rank and Artifacts
-
-
-
-
-Aaruman wrote:
-
->
->
-> You are correct in that your natural mage rank is what is factored into
-your initial
-> casting skill when you learn new spells, and mage artifacts will NOT help that.
->
-
-Mage artifacts will let you learn a spell that you could not have otherwise.
- if the Mage
-artfact casting bonus + the casting rank that you'll get if you were to
-learn the spell is
-high enough to cast the spell it will let you learn the spell when normaly
-you would not
-learn it.
I think you might be onto something with Thingol but not because he lived
in a forest...
The proverbial tree is one of the trees of the Valar. In the Silmarillion,
Thingol is described as seeing the trees in the day of their flowering.
(Chapter 4: "Of Thingol and Melian"). This marked him down as 'a bit
special'.
And when you weigh in everything else, fighting Morgoth but then closing
his borders in Doriath etc....
Could be a possability?
Kev
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At 12:06 03/07/01 +0100, you wrote:
This is probably more useful to Din.
I tried Maeglin as an answer to the riddle:
In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.
I still think it is strange to use the term hearty -
very ambiguous, as it means happy and strong. This
really does conjure up images of Tom, yet this name
has been attempted. Bombadil was a Maiar spirit,
surely he had a more formal name?
Din wrote:
>
> > >In a forest lived he
> > >as hearty as the proverbial tree.
> > >During the struggle he helped as he could
> > >but, in the end, he did as he would.
> >
>
> Ok, we have one group that says its Thingol.
>
> I was going to go with the first age dark elf Eol.
>
> My next turn is due on july 8. How about I pick
one
> (thingol sounds nice), and someone else can pick
the
> other one (eol) if my attempt fails ?
>
Well, my guy moved off site this turn, but I will
happily send him back
to try and solve this thing. It's bugging me now
Seem to recall that Tom Bombadill's Maiar name was "Iarwain" - though memory
fades.
Cheers
Simon
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To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Hearty tree riddle: Another wrong answer
I still think it is strange to use the term hearty -
very ambiguous, as it means happy and strong. This
really does conjure up images of Tom, yet this name
has been attempted. Bombadil was a Maiar spirit,
surely he had a more formal name?
Ray
--- Duncan <duncan.harris@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> Din wrote:
> >
> > > >In a forest lived he
> > > >as hearty as the proverbial tree.
> > > >During the struggle he helped as he could
> > > >but, in the end, he did as he would.
> > >
> >
> > Ok, we have one group that says its Thingol.
> >
> > I was going to go with the first age dark elf Eol.
> >
> > My next turn is due on july 8. How about I pick
> one
> > (thingol sounds nice), and someone else can pick
> the
> > other one (eol) if my attempt fails ?
> >
> Well, my guy moved off site this turn, but I will
> happily send him back
> to try and solve this thing. It's bugging me now
>
> Duncan
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--- Din <din_ohtar@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > > >In a
forest lived he
> >as hearty as the proverbial tree.
> >During the struggle he helped as he could
> >but, in the end, he did as he would.
>
sob. its isn't thingol.
In the presence of an intimidating magical power, xxxx
stood forth and answered, "Thingol." Nothing
happened. The walls seemed as if they were still
waiting.
I'll wait for Eol to be tried, or shall I do it next
turn ?
thanks
din
p.s sorry about the evil bit clint, but can I bribe
you to check the answer ? Maybe its a dodgy riddle
with no reply ???
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