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#1

Where do I sign up, lol, need more info on the game, though, and also is Lil Devil playing, :slight_smile:

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From: Middle Earth PBM Games
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Problem with the encounters as it might get too much to learn - note half
the players who join up find the game not for them for one reason or
another.

It would be good if we can get some flavour in here though.

Clint

In a message dated Wed, 30 May 2001 9:54:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

"Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> writes:

<< Yep thanks for all the ideas - very cool. More?

Clint

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Yes a bit more. If people are to get a "flavor" for the game, the 615 and

210/215 orders should, indeed I think must, be included if people are to get
a real "feel" for the game.

I like the Hobbit based "Battle of Five Armies" Scenario. A couple of

more things might help.

First, add an encounter with Smaug at 3107.
Secondly, add artifacts on the characters, such as Bilbo Baggins, who

should be a free character, has Sting #149. Gandalf, also a pc in this
scenario, should have Glamdring and his ring. As Bilbo was hired as the
"group thief" there should be the 690 order included. Finally, there needs
to be one of the "Eagles" encounters. It should be the one which gives a
combat bonus in addition to a recon.

What I'm suggesting is a bit of each of the major elements of the game. A

major encounter, a few artifacts, one agent, army combat, etc.

The point I see is to include each element that someone who's read the

Hobbit would expect and not much further.

Each of these points may be "chrome" but that's what would hook a new

player. The chance to restage the end of the Hobbit, with the outcome
uncertain.

I agree on limiting the troop types to what was there.

I.E.- Dw with HI, SI with HI and the DS with orc warg riders, probably

HC.

Just my 2 cents. Fire away.

Jonathan

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#2

NEW players. No doubt we could get the odd player playing who has played
before - just to try it out if you want.

Clint

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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Test Game

Where do I sign up, lol, need more info on the game, though, and also is

Lil Devil playing, :slight_smile:

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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:18 PM
To: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
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Problem with the encounters as it might get too much to learn - note half
the players who join up find the game not for them for one reason or
another.

It would be good if we can get some flavour in here though.

Clint

> In a message dated Wed, 30 May 2001 9:54:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
"Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@MiddleEarthGames.com> writes:
>
> << Yep thanks for all the ideas - very cool. More?
>
> Clint
>
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> >>
>
>
> Yes a bit more. If people are to get a "flavor" for the game, the 615

and

210/215 orders should, indeed I think must, be included if people are to

get

a real "feel" for the game.
>
> I like the Hobbit based "Battle of Five Armies" Scenario. A couple of
more things might help.
>
> First, add an encounter with Smaug at 3107.
> Secondly, add artifacts on the characters, such as Bilbo Baggins, who
should be a free character, has Sting #149. Gandalf, also a pc in this
scenario, should have Glamdring and his ring. As Bilbo was hired as the
"group thief" there should be the 690 order included. Finally, there

needs

to be one of the "Eagles" encounters. It should be the one which gives a
combat bonus in addition to a recon.
>
> What I'm suggesting is a bit of each of the major elements of the game.

A

major encounter, a few artifacts, one agent, army combat, etc.
>
> The point I see is to include each element that someone who's read the
Hobbit would expect and not much further.
>
> Each of these points may be "chrome" but that's what would hook a new
player. The chance to restage the end of the Hobbit, with the outcome
uncertain.
>
>
> I agree on limiting the troop types to what was there.
>
> I.E.- Dw with HI, SI with HI and the DS with orc warg riders, probably
HC.
>
> Just my 2 cents. Fire away.
>
> Jonathan
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#3

This might be of interest, when MEPBM first came out they ran a demo
out at Gencon at the time. You may be interested in questioning GSI
about it. From what I recall the setup was of course 1650 so those
that played could learn the military aspect of the game. And the
setting was the NW quadrant of the map with a few changes. It was
Cardolan and Arthedain along with either the dwarves or the Noldo,
can't remember vs Rhudar (evil starting), the Witch King, and the
Dunns (already evil starting). Its fair cause if the gods know that
the Cardolan are coming then they can prepare for it. It was
interesting from what I understand they ran the turns every half of
an hour.

Just a thought, they did however use all the rules but then again in
that limited enviroment you didn't need all the rules or had to use
all the rules.

Brian

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NEW players. No doubt we could get the odd player playing who has

played

before - just to try it out if you want.

Clint
From: Paul Moreno <pmoreno407@m...>
To: <mepbmlist@y...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Test Game

> Where do I sign up, lol, need more info on the game, though, and

also is

Lil Devil playing, :slight_smile:
>
> From: Middle Earth PBM Games
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:18 PM
> To: mepbmlist@y...
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Test Game
>
> Problem with the encounters as it might get too much to learn -

note half

> the players who join up find the game not for them for one reason

or

> another.
>
> It would be good if we can get some flavour in here though.
>
> Clint
>
> > In a message dated Wed, 30 May 2001 9:54:25 AM Eastern

Daylight Time,

> "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> writes:
> >
> > << Yep thanks for all the ideas - very cool. More?
> >
> > Clint
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> > >>
> >
> >
> > Yes a bit more. If people are to get a "flavor" for the game,

the 615

and
> 210/215 orders should, indeed I think must, be included if people

are to

get
> a real "feel" for the game.
> >
> > I like the Hobbit based "Battle of Five Armies" Scenario. A

couple of

> more things might help.
> >
> > First, add an encounter with Smaug at 3107.
> > Secondly, add artifacts on the characters, such as Bilbo

Baggins, who

> should be a free character, has Sting #149. Gandalf, also a pc

in this

> scenario, should have Glamdring and his ring. As Bilbo was hired

as the

> "group thief" there should be the 690 order included. Finally,

there

needs
> to be one of the "Eagles" encounters. It should be the one which

gives a

> combat bonus in addition to a recon.
> >
> > What I'm suggesting is a bit of each of the major elements of

the game.

A
> major encounter, a few artifacts, one agent, army combat, etc.
> >
> > The point I see is to include each element that someone who's

read the

> Hobbit would expect and not much further.
> >
> > Each of these points may be "chrome" but that's what would hook

a new

> player. The chance to restage the end of the Hobbit, with the

outcome

> uncertain.
> >
> >
> > I agree on limiting the troop types to what was there.
> >
> > I.E.- Dw with HI, SI with HI and the DS with orc warg riders,

probably

> HC.
> >
> > Just my 2 cents. Fire away.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
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#4

Yes thanks - Stu was telling me about this. I will check with GSI,

C

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Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:39 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Test Game

This might be of interest, when MEPBM first came out they ran a demo
out at Gencon at the time. You may be interested in questioning GSI
about it. From what I recall the setup was of course 1650 so those
that played could learn the military aspect of the game. And the
setting was the NW quadrant of the map with a few changes. It was
Cardolan and Arthedain along with either the dwarves or the Noldo,
can't remember vs Rhudar (evil starting), the Witch King, and the
Dunns (already evil starting). Its fair cause if the gods know that
the Cardolan are coming then they can prepare for it. It was
interesting from what I understand they ran the turns every half of
an hour.

Just a thought, they did however use all the rules but then again in
that limited enviroment you didn't need all the rules or had to use
all the rules.

Brian

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:
> NEW players. No doubt we could get the odd player playing who has
played
> before - just to try it out if you want.
>
> Clint
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Moreno <pmoreno407@m...>
> To: <mepbmlist@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Test Game
>
>
> > Where do I sign up, lol, need more info on the game, though, and
also is
> Lil Devil playing, :slight_smile:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Middle Earth PBM Games
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:18 PM
> > To: mepbmlist@y...
> > Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Test Game
> >
> > Problem with the encounters as it might get too much to learn -
note half
> > the players who join up find the game not for them for one reason
or
> > another.
> >
> > It would be good if we can get some flavour in here though.
> >
> > Clint
> >
> > > In a message dated Wed, 30 May 2001 9:54:25 AM Eastern
Daylight Time,
> > "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> writes:
> > >
> > > << Yep thanks for all the ideas - very cool. More?
> > >
> > > Clint
> > >
> > >
> > > Middle Earth PBM List - Middle Earth and Harlequin Games
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> > >
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes a bit more. If people are to get a "flavor" for the game,
the 615
> and
> > 210/215 orders should, indeed I think must, be included if people
are to
> get
> > a real "feel" for the game.
> > >
> > > I like the Hobbit based "Battle of Five Armies" Scenario. A
couple of
> > more things might help.
> > >
> > > First, add an encounter with Smaug at 3107.
> > > Secondly, add artifacts on the characters, such as Bilbo
Baggins, who
> > should be a free character, has Sting #149. Gandalf, also a pc
in this
> > scenario, should have Glamdring and his ring. As Bilbo was hired
as the
> > "group thief" there should be the 690 order included. Finally,
there
> needs
> > to be one of the "Eagles" encounters. It should be the one which
gives a
> > combat bonus in addition to a recon.
> > >
> > > What I'm suggesting is a bit of each of the major elements of
the game.
> A
> > major encounter, a few artifacts, one agent, army combat, etc.
> > >
> > > The point I see is to include each element that someone who's
read the
> > Hobbit would expect and not much further.
> > >
> > > Each of these points may be "chrome" but that's what would hook
a new
> > player. The chance to restage the end of the Hobbit, with the
outcome
> > uncertain.
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree on limiting the troop types to what was there.
> > >
> > > I.E.- Dw with HI, SI with HI and the DS with orc warg riders,
probably
> > HC.
> > >
> > > Just my 2 cents. Fire away.
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > >
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#5

This reminds me. Harley talked a while back about maybe attention one
of the bigger gaming conventions in the US this year, Origins or
GenCon. Was anything decided or was the plans dropped?

Cheers,
Øystein

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Yes thanks - Stu was telling me about this. I will check with GSI,

C
----- Original Message -----
From: <blchezluis@a...>
To: <mepbmlist@y...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:39 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Test Game

> This might be of interest, when MEPBM first came out they
> ran a demo out at Gencon at the time. You may be interested
> in questioning GSI about it.

#6

Dropped for now. Too much organising and money in too short a time.

Clint

This reminds me. Harley talked a while back about maybe attention one
of the bigger gaming conventions in the US this year, Origins or
GenCon. Was anything decided or was the plans dropped?

Cheers,
�ystein

--- In mepbmlist@y..., "Middle Earth PBM Games" <me@M...> wrote:

Yes thanks - Stu was telling me about this. I will check with GSI,

C
From: <blchezluis@a...>
To: <mepbmlist@y...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 11:39 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Test Game

> This might be of interest, when MEPBM first came out they
> ran a demo out at Gencon at the time. You may be interested
> in questioning GSI about it.

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#7

Some Loser crossed the mountains and was intent on making camp when a great noise erupted from a cave
entrance hitherto unnoticed some ways down the slope. As he ventured nearer to find out the source of the
disturbance, he slowly and quietly entered the darkness of the cave and followed it into the bowels of the
mountain. Finally, he came around a corner and viewed a large smoking being gnawing on the remains of a
very dead Cave Troll. As he watched, the being grimaced in apparent agony and cried out "This was too
easy!! Give me something else to kill!!"

ATTACK the being
State your ALLEGIANCE
ASK why the being is angry
Stand STILL and don't move for an hour
Say ______________ (only one word)
FLEE
How will Some Loser react ? (Choose any reaction shown in all CAPS or provide info requested in
parenthesis. If no reaction is given, she will be assumed to have chosen "FLEE".)

Can anybody suggest a course of action ??
TIA,
Eric

#8

Some Loser crossed the mountains and was intent on making camp when a
great noise erupted from a cave
entrance hitherto unnoticed some ways down the slope. As he ventured
nearer to find out the source of the
disturbance, he slowly and quietly entered the darkness of the cave and
followed it into the bowels of the
mountain. Finally, he came around a corner and viewed a large smoking
being gnawing on the remains of a
very dead Cave Troll. As he watched, the being grimaced in apparent
agony and cried out "This was too
easy!! Give me something else to kill!!"

ATTACK the being
State your ALLEGIANCE
ASK why the being is angry
Stand STILL and don't move for an hour
Say ______________ (only one word)
FLEE
How will Some Loser react ? (Choose any reaction shown in all CAPS or
provide info requested in
parenthesis. If no reaction is given, she will be assumed to have chosen
"FLEE".)

Can anybody suggest a course of action ??
TIA,
Eric

Stand Still will allow Loser to escape unhurt.

Richard.

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Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:36 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Help: Interesting "Large Smoking Being" Encounter

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#9

greetings.

Any chance someone knows the answer to this riddle ...

In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.

The essence of power seems to await just a one or two
word answer to the riddle... What word(s) or name
will Utima say ? (If no response is given, she will be
assumed to have fled the scene.)

I was tossing up tom bombadil (he didn't have a care
in the world when he lived in the forest), or ragadast
the brown (he also lived in the forest, and he helped
a little bit).

I choose ragadast the brown, and got rejected. I was
thinking of tom, but he has other riddles for himself.
And I don't think he did any help in the WoTR (his
main fame was letting frodo and his mates crash at his
place). At least ragadast remembered that there was a
war on, and use the animals to pass on messages/spy.

thanks
din

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#10

greetings.

Any chance someone knows the answer to this riddle ...

In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.

The essence of power seems to await just a one or two
word answer to the riddle... What word(s) or name
will Utima say ? (If no response is given, she will be
assumed to have fled the scene.)

I was tossing up tom bombadil (he didn't have a care
in the world when he lived in the forest), or ragadast
the brown (he also lived in the forest, and he helped
a little bit).

I choose ragadast the brown, and got rejected. I was
thinking of tom, but he has other riddles for himself.
And I don't think he did any help in the WoTR (his
main fame was letting frodo and his mates crash at his
place). At least ragadast remembered that there was a
war on, and use the animals to pass on messages/spy.

thanks
din

RD: surely this is tom bombadil, regardless of whether he is the subject of
other riddles or not.

Richard.

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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:16 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Help needed - riddle needed to be solved

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#11

Hi,
I can't help with what it -is-, but it -isn't- Treebeard either.

Duncan (I'm still interested in knowing the answer to this one myself)

Din wrote:

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greetings.

Any chance someone knows the answer to this riddle ...

In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.

The essence of power seems to await just a one or two
word answer to the riddle... What word(s) or name
will Utima say ? (If no response is given, she will be
assumed to have fled the scene.)

I was tossing up tom bombadil (he didn't have a care
in the world when he lived in the forest), or ragadast
the brown (he also lived in the forest, and he helped
a little bit).

I choose ragadast the brown, and got rejected. I was
thinking of tom, but he has other riddles for himself.
And I don't think he did any help in the WoTR (his
main fame was letting frodo and his mates crash at his
place). At least ragadast remembered that there was a
war on, and use the animals to pass on messages/spy.

thanks
din

#12

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Din <din_ohtar@y...> wrote:

greetings.

Any chance someone knows the answer to this riddle ...

In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would.

I was tossing up tom bombadil (he didn't have a care
in the world when he lived in the forest), or ragadast
the brown (he also lived in the forest, and he helped
a little bit).

I choose ragadast the brown, and got rejected. I was
thinking of tom, but he has other riddles for himself.
And I don't think he did any help in the WoTR (his
main fame was letting frodo and his mates crash at his
place). At least ragadast remembered that there was a
war on, and use the animals to pass on messages/spy.

I'd guess Treebeard. He lived in Fangorn, the forest. He also was more
or less a tree. He helped during the War of the Ring (Siege of
Isengard). But he also released Saruman on his own, because he felt he
wasn't much of a threat anymore, which annoyed Gandalf a bit when he
came back after defeating Sauron to have a chat with him.

Øystein

#13

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Duncan <duncan.harris@u...> wrote:

Hi,
I can't help with what it -is-, but it -isn't- Treebeard either.

Duncan

Can there be multiple answers to a riddle? Might it not like
Treebeard, but would work with Fangorn, his elvish name?

Øystein

#14

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Duncan <duncan.harris@u...> wrote:

Hi,
I can't help with what it -is-, but it -isn't- Treebeard either.

Duncan

Can there be multiple answers to a riddle? Might it not like
Treebeard, but would work with Fangorn, his elvish name?

�ystein

RD: Hey, this is a really good point. There is a riddle 'Hobbit murderer'
to which GSI's answer is Gollum. Strictly speaking that is WRONG because
when he committed the murder, his name was Smeagol. He only became Gollum
years if not decades later under the baleful influence of the stolen Ring.
So there!

Richard.

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Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Help needed - riddle needed to be solved

#15

I would have guessed Treebeard also. Will delve deeper into the chronicles
to see if I can find anything.

Deni

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--- In mepbmlist@y..., Duncan <duncan.harris@u...> wrote:

Hi,
I can't help with what it -is-, but it -isn't- Treebeard either.

Duncan

Can there be multiple answers to a riddle? Might it not like
Treebeard, but would work with Fangorn, his elvish name?

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oysteint@ifi.uio.no wrote:

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Duncan <duncan.harris@u...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I can't help with what it -is-, but it -isn't- Treebeard either.
>
> Duncan

Can there be multiple answers to a riddle? Might it not like
Treebeard, but would work with Fangorn, his elvish name?

Xystein

Well, having a quick hunt around on the web, the following list of
wrong answers can be found:

NOT: Fangorn, Quickbeam, Radagast, Legolas, Thranduil, Tom Bombadil,
     Celeborn, Old Man Willow, Ghan-buri-Ghan, Beorn

Is there maybe some first/second age angle on this (Doriath maybe) ?

Duncan

#17

>
Well, having a quick hunt around on the web, the
following list of
wrong answers can be found:

where did you get them ? i looked at bobbin's, facade,
and stormy and couldn't find the riddle.

NOT: Fangorn, Quickbeam, Radagast, Legolas,
Thranduil, Tom Bombadil,
     Celeborn, Old Man Willow, Ghan-buri-Ghan, Beorn

oops, Tom was going to be my second guess. The ents
are nice guesses, but you would have to be desperate
to think that old man willow would be the answer.

Is there maybe some first/second age angle on this
(Doriath maybe) ?

"In a forest lived he
as hearty as the proverbial tree.
During the struggle he helped as he could
but, in the end, he did as he would".

doriath is a place, so we cross that off.

The answer is a creature. He (so no females), lived in
a forest, he gave some help to one side (I assume its
the free, but it doesn't have to be). Later on he
followed his nature and went his own way, so his aid
stopped.

the 'struggle' could be anything. I would think third
age since this age saw the human take over middle
earth. For the elves it was a real struggle to hold on
to what they had. But it could be an earlier age.

Eol maybe ? He lived in a forest. 'Technically' he was
one of the good guys, and he did some good deeds. And
he certainly didn't continue to help the free :slight_smile:

Another question - what's the amerian definition of
'hearty' ?

thanks for the help
din

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#18

I just went to the google search engine (www.google.com) and copied in
the first couple of lines of the riddle.

Google, the best search engine out there :slight_smile:

Din wrote:

> >
> Well, having a quick hunt around on the web, the
> following list of
> wrong answers can be found:

where did you get them ? i looked at bobbin's, facade,
and stormy and couldn't find the riddle.

I just went to the google search engine (www.google.com) and copied in
the first couple of lines of the riddle. It found a bunch of sites with
riddle data on them.

Google's definately one of the best search engines out there :slight_smile:

Duncan

#19

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Duncan <duncan.harris@u...> wrote:

Well, having a quick hunt around on the web, the following list of
wrong answers can be found:

NOT: Fangorn, Quickbeam, Radagast, Legolas, Thranduil, Tom Bombadil,
     Celeborn, Old Man Willow, Ghan-buri-Ghan, Beorn

Is there maybe some first/second age angle on this (Doriath maybe) ?

Thingol, maybe. I don't think first of "hearty" when I think of
Thingol, but with the list above excluded he seems like a possibility.

-Peter

#20

Oystein,
  Excellent point about the seeming lack of precision when it comes to
multiply named individuals, places, etc. I thought the exact same as
you when it came to Smeagol in lieu of Gollum, especially since Smeagol
was an acknowledged Hobbit, while Gollum is sort of regarded as
something of a creature. This very turn in my First Age game I'll be
providing an "alias" as a result of a failed riddle result for a name I
was pretty sure about in the first place! I could be wrong, but I'll
see. . .

  Pat

Richard John Devereux wrote:

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:57 PM
Subject: [mepbmlist] Re: Help needed - riddle needed to be solved

--- In mepbmlist@y..., Duncan <duncan.harris@u...> wrote:
> Hi,
> I can't help with what it -is-, but it -isn't- Treebeard either.
>
> Duncan

Can there be multiple answers to a riddle? Might it not like
Treebeard, but would work with Fangorn, his elvish name?

�ystein

RD: Hey, this is a really good point. There is a riddle 'Hobbit murderer'
to which GSI's answer is Gollum. Strictly speaking that is WRONG because
when he committed the murder, his name was Smeagol. He only became Gollum
years if not decades later under the baleful influence of the stolen Ring.
So there!

Richard.

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