sheridana@rpamail.cs.nsw.gov.au wrote:
Actually
a) a light house is built on land (as they don't float
too well). I'm surprised the ship didn't pick up the
land on radar (maybe the light house was on an very,
very small piece of land in the middle of the sea).
b) carriers generally have a few planes flying around
(just in case they are needed to shoo off anything
they don't like). I'm surprised the planes didn't
notice the light house (maybe the carrier didn't have
planes).
c) the fleet must be a little bit lost if they didn't
realise they were in a area near a light house. See
note (a) where lighthouse = land, and land doesn't go
well with ships (maybe the commander was male ?).
d) light houses stand still. Things in the sea that
are still generally have a reason for not moving. That
might have given the commander a clue that something
isn't right.****(E) the big one- GPS in afleet like; that there'd be enough GPS, AWAC, Submarine cover to tell the commander where his left testicle was compared to his right- i'm assuming male in charge on the bridge- in 4 dimensions allowing for missile fuel load, parachute trajectories, re-entry curves required, let alone something as big as a bloody aircraft carrier compared to the rest of the world.
How about:
F) Most lighthouses aren't manned nowadays.
G) Warships don't have the authority to force civilian vessels aside
unless on a wartime mission.
H) Carrier groups tend to stay out of major shipping lanes, mainly due
to their habit of moving in large formations - as in almost to the
horizon from one another, if not further, effectively covering 100's of
square miles. In such a formation the ships in the van (destroyers
usually) would have run into shore long before the carrier ever saw it.
And most important of all:
I) It's an old joke which predates nuclear carriers by several decades,
probably as old as lighthouses themselves, and several versions exist.
(I wouldn't be surprised if there were an older version featuring a
British Admiral.) None of the versions are true.
IOW, the story was BS in the first place as anyone with even a pea brain
could tell you. Not to be rude, but it kinda bugs me when people take
these stories as gospel truth without making any effort to a) think it
through, and b) check the facts.
For more info, try www.snopes2.com/humor/jokes/lighthse/htm
-ED \1/
PS - In a new game of FA, you actually *can* turn mounts into food &
leather! It's true, really! 
>
> Actually
> a) a light house is built on land (as they don't float
> too well). I'm surprised the ship didn't pick up the
> land on radar (maybe the light house was on an very,
> very small piece of land in the middle of the sea).
> b) carriers generally have a few planes flying around
> (just in case they are needed to shoo off anything
> they don't like). I'm surprised the planes didn't
> notice the light house (maybe the carrier didn't have
> planes).
> c) the fleet must be a little bit lost if they didn't
> realise they were in a area near a light house. See
> note (a) where lighthouse = land, and land doesn't go
> well with ships (maybe the commander was male ?).
> d) light houses stand still. Things in the sea that
> are still generally have a reason for not moving. That
> might have given the commander a clue that something
> isn't right.
>
> ****(E) the big one- GPS in afleet like; that there'd be enough GPS,
AWAC, Submarine cover to tell the commander where his left testicle was
compared to his right- i'm assuming male in charge on the bridge- in 4
dimensions allowing for missile fuel load, parachute trajectories, re-entry
curves required, let alone something as big as a bloody aircraft carrier
compared to the rest of the world.
>
How about:
F) Most lighthouses aren't manned nowadays.
G) Warships don't have the authority to force civilian vessels aside
unless on a wartime mission.
H) Carrier groups tend to stay out of major shipping lanes, mainly due
to their habit of moving in large formations - as in almost to the
horizon from one another, if not further, effectively covering 100's of
square miles. In such a formation the ships in the van (destroyers
usually) would have run into shore long before the carrier ever saw it.And most important of all:
I) It's an old joke which predates nuclear carriers by several decades,
probably as old as lighthouses themselves, and several versions exist.
(I wouldn't be surprised if there were an older version featuring a
British Admiral.) None of the versions are true.IOW, the story was BS in the first place as anyone with even a pea brain
could tell you. Not to be rude, but it kinda bugs me when people take
these stories as gospel truth without making any effort to a) think it
through, and b) check the facts.
RD: All this debate misses the point. It doesn't matter whether the story
is true or not, it's still FUNNY! Can't you guys take a joke?
Regards,
Richard.
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Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
sheridana@rpamail.cs.nsw.gov.au wrote:
For more info, try www.snopes2.com/humor/jokes/lighthse/htm
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Richard John Devereux wrote:
>
RD: All this debate misses the point. It doesn't matter whether the story
is true or not, it's still FUNNY! Can't you guys take a joke?
Sure, if it's told as a joke. When someone tells it as a 'true' story
and goes on to start dissing the U.S. Navy, we get a little peeved...
-ED \1/
I guess the sub that hit the fishing boat was using windows too...
Or it could be the sonar operator was planning his ME turn instead of
watching his screen! I've heard they have e-mail access!
/Pontus
With the US one never knows......I recall that you just had a farce called
was it "election of a president". Not even Hollywood would have dared making
such a production....;-).
The joke with the navy was so thick that almost none in Europe would have
believed it, well maybe a couple of swedes ;-).
Henning
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Richard John Devereux wrote:
> >
> RD: All this debate misses the point. It doesn't matter
whether the story
> is true or not, it's still FUNNY! Can't you guys take a joke?
>
Sure, if it's told as a joke. When someone tells it as a 'true' story
and goes on to start dissing the U.S. Navy, we get a little peeved...-ED \1/
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The joke with the navy was so thick that almost none in Europe would have
believed it, well maybe a couple of swedes ;-).Henning
Yeah, I believed it!
AND the fishing boat ramming, AND the election!
Heck we believe everything the US tell us! We're a neutral country,
but we have still had spy planes reporting russian army movements and
communications directly to the CIA, and we have nice long landing
stripes in northern Sweden for any B52's wishing to drop by, and
we're cooperating with NATO whenever we can. The CIA say of course
they'll come help us when war breaks out, but unfortunately they
don't have much they could give us in return in terms of
intelligence, and we believe that too! Hurray for Sweden! (Damn, I
got a little political there for a while...)
The Danes on the other hand, are intelligent, beautiful, brew great
beer, and generally have more fun! Isn't that right Henning?
/Pontus the Swede
Oh-oh, big cultural difference warning.....
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From: Edward A. Dimmick <dukefenton@earthlink.net>
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Sent: 12 February 2001 17:58
Subject: Re: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
Richard John Devereux wrote:
> >
> RD: All this debate misses the point. It doesn't matter whether the
story
> is true or not, it's still FUNNY! Can't you guys take a joke?
>
Sure, if it's told as a joke. When someone tells it as a 'true' story
and goes on to start dissing the U.S. Navy, we get a little peeved...-ED \1/
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> believed it, well maybe a couple of swedes ;-).
>
> HenningYeah, I believed it!
AND the fishing boat ramming, AND the election!
Heck we believe everything the US tell us! We're a neutral country,
but we have still had spy planes reporting russian army movements and
communications directly to the CIA, and we have nice long landing
stripes in northern Sweden for any B52's wishing to drop by, and
we're cooperating with NATO whenever we can. The CIA say of course
they'll come help us when war breaks out, but unfortunately they
don't have much they could give us in return in terms of
intelligence, and we believe that too! Hurray for Sweden! (Damn, I
got a little political there for a while...)
One has to say in the defence of the swedes that, they actually once found a
russian submarine (of the Wiskey class) on the rocks 
outside one of
their naval facilities. So they may be inclined to believe the more
fantastic stories told about stupid naval officers.
The Danes on the other hand, are intelligent, beautiful, brew great
beer, and generally have more fun! Isn't that right Henning?
Pontus where have you learned to lick A.. like that? It felt good keep
up the good work (but dont ruin it by telling me that we can play football).
I might even feel inclined to buy you a beer next time you are in
Copenhagen.
And yes we are intelligent, beautiful, brew great beer, and have more fun!
Henning, the Great Dane
What a live discussion this is! I'll quit here though, for everyones
sake...
One has to say in the defence of the swedes that, they actually once found a
russian submarine (of the Wiskey class) on the rocks
their naval facilities. So they may be inclined to believe the more
fantastic stories told about stupid naval officers.
Yeah, we're bombing them every few weeks, but the only one we have
ever got to surface was the one that accidentally hit a rock just
outside a major naval base. And then without interrogation we let
them sail away! I practised interrogation and studied russian in the
military, I wish I had been there. I could make a nazgûl talk...
> The Danes on the other hand, are intelligent, beautiful, brew great
> beer, and generally have more fun! Isn't that right Henning?
Pontus where have you learned to lick A.. like that?
up the good work (but dont ruin it by telling me that we can play football).
I might even feel inclined to buy you a beer next time you are in
Copenhagen.
Kissing ass can be useful. Why do you think the neutrals always join
my side..? Of course you can't play football! Do you think I would
lie??? The beer sounds great! That's what I was fishing for!
And yes we are intelligent, beautiful, brew great beer, and have more fun!
I won't say we can play football, but then again, we have a Swede
training the English national team! We do play hockey and handball
pretty well though! And half our population are rather beautiful...
/Pontus
Pontus Gustavsson wrote:
I guess the sub that hit the fishing boat was using windows too...
Hadn't heard about that incident, but it's a lot more plausible than a
carrier trying to bully a lighthouse - being that subs often operate
alone, don't have surface search and are often out of radio contact with
the world, and so on.
Or it could be the sonar operator was planning his ME turn instead of
watching his screen! I've heard they have e-mail access!
Watch for someone with character names like Thresher, Skipjack, and
Seawolf; probably take the Corsairs if they have a choice
-ED \1/
"Or COMSUBLANT"
HENNING RINDB�K LARSEN wrote:
With the US one never knows......I recall that you just had a farce called
was it "election of a president". Not even Hollywood would have dared making
such a production....;-).
No, but I recall a certain European nation which also had a dispute
about which scion of a noble house would take the throne - took them,
what, 30 years to decide? We did it in 8 weeks with nary a drop of
blood spilled - except paper cuts, of course
-ED \1/
>
> I guess the sub that hit the fishing boat was
using windows too...
>
Hadn't heard about that incident,
On Friday (9/2/2001) a US nuclear sub decides to
practice emergency surfacing near hawaii. They rise in
the middle of a jap training fishing ship which had
young jap students on board.
The surface ship goes 'what happened to our bottom ?'
and sinks. 9 of the 35 don't get found (fish food time
for them). Since children/young adults are dead its
goes on front page in Japan.
The sub says 'oops, call the coast guard'. The US
goverment says 'sorry, lets hold an offical
investigation to find out what happened', and the japs
say 'why didn't the sub stay and take in survivors'.
people are asking questions faster than what they can
be answered, eq were the japs in the wrong sea lane,
did the sub fail to follow normal procedures to look
first, should the sub have opened hatches and tried to
help the survivors, or could the nuclear sub have
exploded and release radiaton all over the place, etc,
etc.
Cnn has a message board on it, but its full of
loonies.
thanks
din
p.s My work got hit by the Anna Kournikova virsus.
Work has deleted all emails (virus or not), so I'm
going to blame this for not answering any difficult
emails I get.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/02/12/anna.worm/index.html
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Thats the way we do it in the old world. If we disagree we muster our
armies, thats why we make such good ME players ;-).
Henning
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Fra: Edward A. Dimmick [mailto:dukefenton@earthlink.net]
Sendt: 13. februar 2001 00:22
Til: mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com
Emne: Re: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse storyHENNING RINDB�K LARSEN wrote:
>
> With the US one never knows......I recall that you just had a
farce called
> was it "election of a president". Not even Hollywood would have
dared making
> such a production....;-).
>
No, but I recall a certain European nation which also had a dispute
about which scion of a noble house would take the throne - took them,
what, 30 years to decide? We did it in 8 weeks with nary a drop of
blood spilled - except paper cuts, of course-ED \1/
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Edward A. Dimmick wrote:
No, but I recall a certain European nation which also had a dispute
about which scion of a noble house would take the throne - took them,
what, 30 years to decide? We did it in 8 weeks with nary a drop of
blood spilled - except paper cuts, of course
In many other countries, what happened in Florida would have been termed a
coup d'Etat or would have earned severe US sanctions and sanctimony. Still,
we can but hope that the Republicans will reap the fruit of what they have
sown...
Gavin
Din wrote:
should the sub have opened hatches and tried to
help the survivors,
I thought the sub *did* take on survivors? According to the Swiss press they
did, anyway.
Gavin
Edward A. Dimmick wrote:
> No, but I recall a certain European nation which also had a dispute
> about which scion of a noble house would take the throne - took them,
> what, 30 years to decide? We did it in 8 weeks with nary a drop of
> blood spilled - except paper cuts, of courseIn many other countries, what happened in Florida would have been termed a
coup d'Etat or would have earned severe US sanctions and
sanctimony. Still,
we can but hope that the Republicans will reap the fruit of what they have
sown...Gavin
I guess I had no problem with what happened. However, can we P-L-E-A-S-E get
back to the history of Middle Earth on this list? I know our cultural
differences are fascinating. Personally, I think a vibrant discussion of
French Naval tactics during the Hundred Years War might spark all sorts of
debate. However, what about this poser? Was Gollum really the 10th Nazgul?
Curiously yours, and willing to set up the yahoogroup "historical and
cultural differences"....
Jeff
Oh stop your sniveling. You can't change election law, recount votes, or
re-vote, until you win, regardless of how sanctimonious you are about the
superiority of your candidate. The rule of law, rather than the bullet and
the bayonet, is what sets America apart from much of the world.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
Edward A. Dimmick wrote:
> No, but I recall a certain European nation which also had a dispute
> about which scion of a noble house would take the throne - took them,
> what, 30 years to decide? We did it in 8 weeks with nary a drop of
> blood spilled - except paper cuts, of courseIn many other countries, what happened in Florida would have been termed a
coup d'Etat or would have earned severe US sanctions and sanctimony.
Still,
we can but hope that the Republicans will reap the fruit of what they have
sown...Gavin
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What a surprise
Today I signed in at the MePbmlist and whats the first mail I see?
US elections???
What the hell.......Did I push the wrong button?
Weird stuff......
No really guys, do you think this is the right place for such a discussion?
Probably I am wrong, because as I said I am here since this morning
If this is the case:
I think what happend in Florida has nothin to do with democraty, but with
bending laws. And it�s a fact that a bitter aftertaste will remain on G.W.
Bush�s
election ....
Stefan
I’m neither a democrat or a republican, but I watched the
election with some interest. I think peoples’ ideas on what
happened in the last election are pretty heavily skewed
by what they’ve heard from other people, proponents of
one party or another. Any large vote counting event such
as the one for U.S. President is going to have some problems,
just as any other massive undertaking, the difference between
this election and many others is that one party took it
upon themselves to assault the press with every small
discrepency in the election with hopes of having the results
overturned. Both parties came into the election knowing
how votes were counted, what was and wasn’t counted…
basically they knew the rules and procedures by which
the competition was to be judged.
Two men shipwrecked on a desert island have nothing
better to do than play cards, however they lost one of
the cards in the wreck, so they’re both playing with only
51 cards. Is it possible for one man win a card game?