Oh stop your sniveling. You can't change election law, recount votes, or
re-vote, until you win, regardless of how sanctimonious you are about the
superiority of your candidate. The rule of law, rather than the bullet and
the bayonet, is what sets America apart from much of the world.
Ah yes:
1 Personal attack in the guise of argument.
2 You assume that the law was followed and that other laws were not broken.
In Europe we saw little evidence for the former and a lot for the latter.
3 What sets the US apart from the world is its overfondness for litigation
per se rather than any actual respect for the law.
Both parties came into the election knowing how votes were counted, what was
and wasn't counted.. basically they knew the rules and procedures by which
the competition was to be judged.
Florida was interesting for the fact that the skew was very evident: even
Pat Buchanan admiited that there had been problems. A quick look at voting
patterns showed a tremendous skew in one contested district which should
have red-flagged the whole exercise, but Mrs Harris wasn't having any of it.
I await the recounts being done by the press; they will be most instructive.
For the love of the game, can we PLEASE get back to Middle Earth?
This isn't directed at anyone inparticular, but dammit, I love my country,
and I presume each of you loves yours. Yes, there is screwed up stuff
happening all over the place, but this isn't the forum. Take it to tells if
you want to get into it.
For the love of the game, can we PLEASE get back to Middle Earth?
This isn't directed at anyone inparticular, but dammit, I love my country,
and I presume each of you loves yours. Yes, there is screwed up stuff
happening all over the place, but this isn't the forum. Take it to tells if
you want to get into it.
I think Jeff is right.
In fact this is a MePbm forum and not the "Let discuss American politics"
forum.
Also I think that this discussuion would last to long and it is impossible to
find an answer that could make every person happy.
So lets stop talking politics and start talking Middleearth.
This isn't directed at anyone inparticular, but dammit, I love my country,
and I presume each of you loves yours.
Actually, no.
Most of the various conflicts over the centuries have come out of religion
or "I love my country" sloganeering. Love of a country (an artifact with no
real relevance) seems to justify an awful lot of bad things...
Oh... I am very happy that we have bullets and laws over here. It look better than nuclear weapons
and economical rape on other countries.
No offense intended, believe it or not.
Will
···
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gavinwj" <gavinwj@compuserve.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
G. W. Tallen wrote:
> Oh stop your sniveling. You can't change election law, recount votes, or
> re-vote, until you win, regardless of how sanctimonious you are about the
> superiority of your candidate. The rule of law, rather than the bullet and
> the bayonet, is what sets America apart from much of the world.
Ah yes:
1 Personal attack in the guise of argument.
2 You assume that the law was followed and that other laws were not broken.
In Europe we saw little evidence for the former and a lot for the latter.
3 What sets the US apart from the world is its overfondness for litigation
per se rather than any actual respect for the law.
Now that we are taking an olive branch and throwing it on the pyre I must
state:
This is ridiculous. Can we petition Harlequin to make this a moderated
group? Thank you.
> This isn't directed at anyone inparticular, but dammit, I love
my country,
> and I presume each of you loves yours.
Actually, no.
Most of the various conflicts over the centuries have come out of religion
or "I love my country" sloganeering. Love of a country (an
artifact with no
real relevance) seems to justify an awful lot of bad things...
Ok. Now I feel I must jump in an add my thoughts to this chain.
Most wars are fought becuase of religious or economic reasons. That being said,
what we are really saying is that people tend to fight for their own
self-interest. If one believes in God, and one believes that what one does
could please such a being-- one would willingly do so (seems to make sense) The
self-interest part of the economic motivation seems self-expalanatory. However,
many people go a step further saying, in fact:
1. Most wars are fought over religion.
2. Therefore, religion is a bad thing.
3. So, we should get rid of religion.
Very few people say,
1. Most wars are fought for economic reasons
2. Therefore, economics are a bad things.
3. So, we should get rid of eceonomics
I wonder why this is?
My point is, PEOPLE WILL FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN SELF-INTEREST. And certain things,
like religion, and love of country, arouse strong emotions. However, to decry
something just because it arouses strong emotion is, I think, in error.
Bobarian--History teacher and interested observer.
Gavinwj wrote:
···
Jeff wrote:
> This isn't directed at anyone inparticular, but dammit, I love my country,
> and I presume each of you loves yours.
Actually, no.
Most of the various conflicts over the centuries have come out of religion
or "I love my country" sloganeering. Love of a country (an artifact with no
real relevance) seems to justify an awful lot of bad things...
Ok. Now I feel I must jump in an add my thoughts to
this chain.
I agree with the stuff below (basically I think
religion is blamed as it means we don't blame people),
but I would prefer we go back to middle earth.
thanks
din
p.s. clint starting all this - lets bash him up (and
leave me alone)
···
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No. If you want to talk in an environment moderated by someone else,
you should confine yourself to your Great Aunt Maud's front parlour.
You can drink tea, eat cucumber sandwiches, and not say anything
controversial.
Plenty of rubbish, immaturity, inarticulate writing, polarisation, and
failure to realise that most people write light heartedly, has been
demonstrated in this group recently. But for me, I'd still rather have
freedom of speech, than have Clint dressed as Aunt Maud.
The sanctimoniousness of my fellow citizen, to whom my comments were
addressed, and the presumed moral superiority he and his fellow sore losers
proclaim with word and tone, are insults to intelligence that deserve to be
answered forthrightly.
I do not lecture Europeans on your forms or processes of government, and
have little patience with criticisms of our own from 'across the pond'.
That said, I agree with your observation on Americans' current fondness for
litigation, and can hardly wait for us collectively to take the advice of
one great European: "First, we'll kill all the lawyers." If only it were so
simple...
And no, Gavin, I am not a Republican. I know a great many clear-thinking
Democrats who were embarassed and disgusted by the actions of their party
and their candidate. Partisanship must sometimes yield to common sense.
···
----- Original Message -----
From: Gavinwj <gavinwj@compuserve.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
G. W. Tallen wrote:
> Oh stop your sniveling. You can't change election law, recount votes,
or
> re-vote, until you win, regardless of how sanctimonious you are about
the
> superiority of your candidate. The rule of law, rather than the bullet
and
> the bayonet, is what sets America apart from much of the world.
Ah yes:
1 Personal attack in the guise of argument.
2 You assume that the law was followed and that other laws were not
broken.
In Europe we saw little evidence for the former and a lot for the latter.
3 What sets the US apart from the world is its overfondness for litigation
per se rather than any actual respect for the law.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Maas <Joker_Macy@gmx.de>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
> For the love of the game, can we PLEASE get back to Middle Earth?
>
> This isn't directed at anyone inparticular, but dammit, I love my
country,
> and I presume each of you loves yours. Yes, there is screwed up stuff
> happening all over the place, but this isn't the forum. Take it to tells
if
> you want to get into it.
I think Jeff is right.
In fact this is a MePbm forum and not the "Let discuss American politics"
forum.
Also I think that this discussuion would last to long and it is impossible
to
find an answer that could make every person happy.
So lets stop talking politics and start talking Middleearth.
----- Original Message -----
From: bob chronley <Bobarian@home.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
Fellas,
Ok. Now I feel I must jump in an add my thoughts to this chain.
Most wars are fought becuase of religious or economic reasons. That being
said,
what we are really saying is that people tend to fight for their own
self-interest. If one believes in God, and one believes that what one
does
could please such a being-- one would willingly do so (seems to make
sense) The
self-interest part of the economic motivation seems self-expalanatory.
However,
many people go a step further saying, in fact:
1. Most wars are fought over religion.
2. Therefore, religion is a bad thing.
3. So, we should get rid of religion.
Very few people say,
1. Most wars are fought for economic reasons
2. Therefore, economics are a bad things.
3. So, we should get rid of eceonomics
I wonder why this is?
My point is, PEOPLE WILL FIGHT FOR THEIR OWN SELF-INTEREST. And certain
things,
like religion, and love of country, arouse strong emotions. However, to
decry
something just because it arouses strong emotion is, I think, in error.
Bobarian--History teacher and interested observer.
Gavinwj wrote:
> Jeff wrote:
>
> > This isn't directed at anyone inparticular, but dammit, I love my
country,
> > and I presume each of you loves yours.
>
> Actually, no.
>
> Most of the various conflicts over the centuries have come out of
religion
> or "I love my country" sloganeering. Love of a country (an artifact with
no
> real relevance) seems to justify an awful lot of bad things...
>
> Gavin
>
>
> Middle Earth PBM List - Middle Earth and Harlequin Games
> To Unsubscribe:www.egroups.com
> http://www.MiddleEarthGames.com
The thought police are coming to your place as soon as they're through with
me..... Good on ya, I see no harm in a spirited and frank exchange of
views, and when a thread is so clearly ID'd (e.g. 'Lighthouse story') it is
easily avoided by those who are not interested.
Jeffery A. Dobberpuhl <webguys@lakenet.com> wrote
>Can we petition Harlequin to make this a moderated
>group? Thank you.
No. If you want to talk in an environment moderated by someone else,
you should confine yourself to your Great Aunt Maud's front parlour.
You can drink tea, eat cucumber sandwiches, and not say anything
controversial.
Plenty of rubbish, immaturity, inarticulate writing, polarisation, and
failure to realise that most people write light heartedly, has been
demonstrated in this group recently. But for me, I'd still rather have
freedom of speech, than have Clint dressed as Aunt Maud.
Where is 'here'? Surely it is not a country that ever sheltered behind the
shield of American nuclear deterrence? Or American soldiers? There are a
few of those. No offense intended.
I like nuclear weapons, they have proven far more benign than AK-47's in my
lifetime: -- weapons which averted war, preserved freedom, and contributed
to the utter defeat of the main antagonist -- without ever being used. I
think Sun Tzu would love them.
If I could change my nation's economic policy, or (recent) penchant for
flinging bombs about the world to influence domestic opinion polls -- I
would.
···
----- Original Message -----
From: Wilson Reis <will@ism.com.br>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
Oh... I am very happy that we have bullets and laws over here. It look
better than nuclear weapons
and economical rape on other countries.
No offense intended, believe it or not.
Will
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gavinwj" <gavinwj@compuserve.com>
To: <mepbmlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: SV: [mepbmlist] Re: Lighthouse story
> G. W. Tallen wrote:
>
> > Oh stop your sniveling. You can't change election law, recount votes,
or
> > re-vote, until you win, regardless of how sanctimonious you are about
the
> > superiority of your candidate. The rule of law, rather than the
bullet and
> > the bayonet, is what sets America apart from much of the world.
>
> Ah yes:
>
> 1 Personal attack in the guise of argument.
>
> 2 You assume that the law was followed and that other laws were not
broken.
> In Europe we saw little evidence for the former and a lot for the
latter.
>
> 3 What sets the US apart from the world is its overfondness for
litigation
> per se rather than any actual respect for the law.
>
> I can only presume you're a Republican.
>
> Gavin
>
>
>
> Middle Earth PBM List - Middle Earth and Harlequin Games
> To Unsubscribe:www.egroups.com
> http://www.MiddleEarthGames.com
>
>
Yes I did find it amusing one little joke and all this...
Clint
p.s. clint starting all this - lets bash him up (and
leave me alone)
Yes, Clint, but surely you knew how easily riled our American friends become
when the joke is at their expense...?
I'm finding the whole thread most amusing and, occasionally, instructive.
However, I resisted the temptation to pick up the religion crumb left by Bob
Chronley: my views on religion would be way too inflammatory for some of the
more sensitive members of this list.
